the meeting has been put on hold.
Oh the excitement, it burns in my little skull <3
-Ferra
your local crag? ie. sandorians go to holla, assrockers to dem, etc?
So what's th plan? YOu make me and Bryn get everone to the same crag? I see how it is. I'M JUST A SLAVE!
'Dorian' is copyright Astrid, 2004
Cannot be replicated, re-established in any other location, or used for any sort of profit without written consent from Astrid.
QUOTE (Ferra @ Apr 18 2004, 05:20 PM) |
'Dorian' is copyright Astrid, 2004 Cannot be replicated, re-established in any other location, or used for any sort of profit without written consent from Astrid. |
I won't be there guys, sorry, band trip to California, but if it's this huge, could someone PM me with what happens?
Wow really can't wait for this, it'll be nice to see everyone together in one spot. Hopefully I'll be able to come hehe.
QUOTE (Camulus @ Apr 18 2004, 03:04 PM) |
So what's th plan? YOu make me and Bryn get everone to the same crag? I see how it is. I'M JUST A SLAVE! |
LOL! 10pm? Oh dear lord, you forget I'm old and I'm usually by 10pm on a Saturday!
This will give me incentive to stay awake then, huh! *grin*
Figures I miss all the good stuff when I'm NOT able to get on >_<
Be thankful it's not midnight Nyn hehe,last one was quite late...by the way i'm retired from FF now,so hope you guys have a great time.
QUOTE (Nynaeve @ Apr 19 2004, 07:58 AM) |
LOL! 10pm? Oh dear lord, you forget I'm old and I'm usually by 10pm on a Saturday! This will give me incentive to stay awake then, huh! *grin* |
Aww man I wont be able to make it. If you guys end up staying after 1pm est time maybe I could meet up with you guys. I could try to get someone to cover for me at work but I highly doubt that I can make it. Btw for those who dont know Im Breaker the thieving Galka.
~pst? =/
*shakes head* hmmm, most unfortunate - this upcoming weekend (april 23rd - 25th) i'll be at the new living expo at SF & on the 24th at 7:00 pm will be the science & art of homeopathy seminar; this is something that i cannot pass up...i'll be sure to join the next official campaign, but since this expo happens once a year ~ it will prove fruitful if i be there to learn keys in self-cleansing..
How convenient that these self cleansing seminars follow April 20th?
Anyways, I will certainly be in attendance of this meeting.
mm....I will see if I can make this one since I miss every other FFXI meeting...><.
Shame on me!
My interest in FFXI has been less than expected lately.
Most of my free time is spent at school now with homework and such.
When I get a chance I am usually on PSO...playing challenge...or talking with PSO friends...go figure!
The most that I completed is up to challenge C2C2 lately and only because a friend invited me that I had not played with in a long time.
I just played "follow the leader" which I have not done in forever in challenge!
Kinda fun actually and not so difficult. Did not die a single time. Boss is a little lengthy to complete...just be sure not to get near it when it stomps down...insta-kill.
Okay, nice to talk to everyone again and see ya on Saturday night!
oyasumi!
おやすみ~♪
--Sheik
News updated. Please review it and make an effort to make it saturday.
I'm going to try my hardest to make this meeting even though I don't have access to my computer but I might be able to get on...Not promising anything so I may or may not be there.
QUOTE (Crushinator @ Apr 19 2004, 09:19 PM) |
How convenient that these self cleansing seminars follow April 20th? |
Iam sorry i dont think I can make it to the meeting. I would not get back in tiem for it. What are my options? heh.
I will do what I can to be there.
My friend is in from San Fran for the weekend, but if this is a matter of much importantce then I can log on for a bit. I just need to know where and when in advance.
-Alex
perhaps the new linksack formed by Felys and Nevah. TheGS could be involved in Pearl alliance as well? I'm sure they would be interested in forming it.
Are merging in theirs or is a new shell being born?
-Alex akak hamtaru
Woot! Im gonna be able to make it. I got someone to cover for me. one thing though... SInce Im still the noob here, I havent been anywhere outside of the little bastok wasp infected area. Therefore Im most likely to get loss or pwned by some rock lizard like last night x.x
So if someone could hold my hand to the camping ground that would be cool. Im still trying to get the hand on what all the dam buttons do. I just learned yesterday how to talk to the whole linkshell at once lol. *5points for me*
Hmm. Sounds like quite a feet to get this transition.. hope it all goes as smoothly as possible.
Also have you guys decided on a color for the pearle yet? Or perhaps that purple text may have answered my question, Hehe.
Anyway, I'll be there.
no disrespect meant when i say this, but what if some of us don't want to become "soul survivors"? i like the name "apocalypse cow" and think we should keep it. wouldn't it be easier to just restrict recruiting policy and take away sack holder rights than to scrub it all, lose a great LS name (that actually reflects who we are AT+GC -- for the most part), and invite all kinds of confusion. as to the arguing, it doesn't happen often enough to merit such drastic actions. in order to cut it out entirely you'd also have to cut down all the useless prattle on the /linkshell channel as well. much of the arguing (from what i've seen and personally been involved with) comes from people voicing opinions over a public channel. you cannot allow one person to express an opinion without allowing another to express his/her own. therefore arguing in its basest form will always exist on any linkshell regardless of color or name, unless we are all censored. if that is the direction the linkshell is moving in, i'm sorry to say, but i'm not interested.
long live the cows.
We should at least change the LS color if everyone isn't in approval of the new plan. I'm in support of whatever Woe and Dive decide on and I think that someone had to have had an argument on the linkshell recently to contirbute to the no arguing rule that was decided on. This may be to curb negativity on the linkshell as well. I know some people may not be in the best of moods after a long tiring day of work and to come on FFXI and see people in the linkshell bickering may make feelings worse.
yeah, but who are the "leaders"? if the shell is supposedly a combination of AT, GC, VM, etc, who calls the shots, the leaders of each of the prospective forums? and the color is really the least of concerns.
QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 20 2004, 01:06 PM) |
no disrespect meant when i say this, but what if some of us don't want to become "soul survivors"? i like the name "apocalypse cow" and think we should keep it. wouldn't it be easier to just restrict recruiting policy and take away sack holder rights than to scrub it all, lose a great LS name (that actually reflects who we are AT+GC -- for the most part), and invite all kinds of confusion. as to the arguing, it doesn't happen often enough to merit such drastic actions. in order to cut it out entirely you'd also have to cut down all the useless prattle on the /linkshell channel as well. much of the arguing (from what i've seen and personally been involved with) comes from people voicing opinions over a public channel. you cannot allow one person to express an opinion without allowing another to express his/her own. therefore arguing in its basest form will always exist on any linkshell regardless of color or name, unless we are all censored. if that is the direction the linkshell is moving in, i'm sorry to say, but i'm not interested. long live the cows. |
.*Edit* Changed "leaders" to Woe and Dirge on above post. It seems like they are usually the ones that make the decisions regarding the meetings and whatnot and and that's why I called them the leaders. What I said probably came from me only really being active here at the Apocalypse Tribe.
i guess that's it for me then. well .. who knows.. i'll go to the meeting, but i highly doubt i'll be switching over. eh, maybe it's the booze talking...
Seriously what's the big deal? Oviously this has been thought out. It's not like it's a democracy we're not changing countries or affiliations or absorbing a bunch of other linkshells. We're still talking about the same people with a new cool name and cool new linkshell color. This change will be a good catalyst for the linkshell moving foward.
Nobody is being left behind. I have been a part of gaming clans since the mid nineties and I think that changing names and what not is fun! It gives you history and perspective. You don't lose your identity, you build your bonds stronger by changing together.
I like that there are no hard and fast rules besides the obvious. Respect others and the community by not bickering in public.
I know I'm new and what not but I have a lot of respect already for everyone here and look foward to the change.
I gotta agree with Chibi about the arguing aspect. Everyone is human and there are just gonna be days when something negative might come out on the LS. Now if we have a certain person involved in most of the beef, then I think it's time for something to be done. I mean, what if Dive or Woe get into with someone, do the same rules apply to them? I think keeping the arguing to a minimum is important, but it's not life or death. I think there are a few more important matters that could be aired out before we worry this much about arguing.
I also think this is a lot of work just to change the LS name. We could do everything mentioned of the front page with the LS we have now, cept for the actual name change. But ehh that's just my two gil. In the end, as long as this dosen't become a dictatorship...I'm down for whatever...
EDIT...wow, I have a problem with this...
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It's not like it's a democracy |
QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 05:30 PM) |
I gotta agree with Chibi about the arguing aspect. Everyone is human and there are just gonna be days when something negative might come out on the LS. Now if we have a certain person involved in most of the beef, then I think it's time for something to be done. I mean, what if Dive or Woe get into with someone, do the same rules apply to them? I think keeping the arguing to a minimum is important, but it's not life or death. I think there are a few more important matters that could be aired out before we worry this much about arguing. I also think this is a lot of work just to change the LS name. We could do everything mentioned of the front page with the LS we have now, cept for the actual name change. But ehh that's just my two gil. In the end, as long as this dosen't become a dictatorship...I'm down for whatever... |
I also think that our new arguing policy could be faulty because what if like I come online and say hi to everyone, then Tan says..."Jade your ugly", and I say yeah Fuck you too. Now he and I know we are just playing around but there are a lot of LS members that don't know me(or him) very well and might think we are having a fight. This could affect me a lot because I always speak my mind and just let the shit fly when I'm having fun. Ehh, I'm getting more and more down as the day goes by...lol
I don't think a "No arguing policy" is needed, people just need to understand why they don't need to argue.
Look, I'll be straight up. If you as a person are too self absorbed, then your totally NOT getting the idea of the culture of the AT community. It's about helping each other out, not because you have to be, but because you want to.
Everyone is supposed to have each others back. So what if you don't get the item? People are 'supposed' to be there to make sure everyone gets their fair share at one point or another. If people put in the time to get something for someone else other then themselves, everyone needs to put in the time to get that something for those who were left out. If your only thinking about yourself, your not getting the flow of what the AT is about, or how a good mmorpg guild works.
Many of the members put themselves second and everyone else first. If people do that for you, then you gotta realize why you should do the same.
Maybe I should have clarified "It's not a democracy" comment as it's not very clear what I mean.
I'm really not trying to raise stink just saying how I feel on the matter and try to put at ease some of the concerns I hear as I have been through something like this a few times before.
I have been in 'clans' where it was a literal democracy, there was a leadership vote, and votes on everything. It was craziness and way over done. People get together as a bunch of friends and start to turn the thing into some kind of pseudo online government when it doesn't need to be anything of the sort.
Here you have a group of friends who respect each other and want to have fun and not let things break down into bickering. You obviously have a few leaders but we're not talking about full scale government here. Woe isn't going to start taxing you to come on the next rank mission ;D
If I think something is messed up I just say 'hey what's up with this'? If I want to change linkshells I do so. To sum up, the linkshell is a collection of people doing how they please (hopefully helping each other) in a friendly connected environment. Say Woe starts drinking stalin soda and comes down on everyone with his hammer and scythe, so what? People leave? The group is defined by it's members the shell and sack holders really have no control over anyone in the group other than by kicking you out if violate group policies. So the linkshell is intrisically defined by it's members and their behaviour.
Now not to get too offtrack here from the original discussion. The purpose of the name/color change seems to be:
Defining a new combined identity that better represents what the linkshell on bimarck has become.
In the process of doing this setting out a very simple charter to ensure good communication.
Get a new color and usher in a new era for the FFXI server residents.
Now since I've been so pro-change and going along with it let me try to play my own devil's-advocate.
If it ain't broke, why try to fix it? The linkshell seems to get along really well.
History, heritage and reputation could be lost as the linkshell has already been building a good reputation for itself.
While plenty of people will go along for the change is it really worth it if it leaves some other's feeling alienated who don't accept the change well.
QUOTE (HC82 @ Apr 20 2004, 05:19 PM) |
I don't think a "No arguing policy" is needed, people just need to understand why they don't need to argue. Look, I'll be straight up. If you as a person are too self absorbed, then your totally NOT getting the idea of the culture of the AT community. |
omg if you guys change the name and color of linkshell.. oh man will you not want to feel my rath!!
*sarcasm+99*
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we're are just trying to do something cool and new for the LS, and bring everyone closer togeather at the same time... if you all want things to stay the way they are now, who am I to argue. |
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oh man will you not want to feel my rath!! |
Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we have casts and what not, but everyone here is equal, Just some of the other people like Dark Templar are mods, and Arbter are people who can edit the forums, don't think of it as people having power over you, cause no one here has power over anyone.
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Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we have casts and what not, but everyone here is equal, Just some of the other people like Dark Templar are mods, and Arbter are people who can edit the forums, don't think of it as people having power over you, cause no one here has power over anyone. |
QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 02:30 PM) |
Now if we have a certain person involved in most of the beef, then I think it's time for something to be done. I mean, what if Dive or Woe get into with someone, do the same rules apply to them? |
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Omar...it's wrath you moron...lol |
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BTW...that's one amazing run on sentence Cam lol... |
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I trust the decisions made here and these members (along with some others) formed the now known "AT" tribe. AT was once a small group of known friends before it had grown (some for the better, and some for the worse). I do not think this argument (or even hint at) should have ever come up.....*sigh* |
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AT is not a democracy |
QUOTE (Omar @ Apr 20 2004, 04:38 PM) | ||
lmao.. oops.. oh well the point was that nobody should give a fuck... its just a little change.. everyone gonna get in the ls.. and eventually the sack holder will get tired of breaking shells.. and having apology topics every three minutes... guys.. its gonna be the same way it always was.. plain and simple.. its to big now to change it that much.. without arguments... how would you pick your president? without arguements how would peopel be able to defend themselves... its apart of our culture... it may need to be toned down.. but it will be to ridiculus if becuase just one little 5 min fight they will have their ls broken.... |
WHOA! Calm down guys. This thread was just a news thread. I think the context may have been take a bit far. Remember, we're all friends here. No need to go for eachother's throats now.
*does the shame shame finger gesture thing*
EDIT: Tis a shame Dive has to come home to this after a long days work. :(
*Passes around chill pills*
Chill peeps, this kind of stuff shouldn't be happening here. Simple as that.
Even if I don't play this damn game.
QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 20 2004, 12:06 PM) |
therefore arguing in its basest form will always exist on any linkshell regardless of color or name, unless we are all censored. |
People are misunderstanding the concept of "Arguments" and "Disagreements".
either way... people need to chill... ;)
basically we wont know how this works till we try it out... i mean you never buy a car without a test drive right?
QUOTE (proj @ Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM) |
Seriously what's the big deal? Oviously this has been thought out. It's not like it's a democracy we're not changing countries or affiliations or absorbing a bunch of other linkshells. We're still talking about the same people with a new cool name and cool new linkshell color. This change will be a good catalyst for the linkshell moving foward. |
There's a difference between a civil argument and flat out treating someone like shit.
I think it's the second one they're more concerned about.
I haven't been on much lately, so I don't know how bad it is, but this topic is ridiculous. Chill out, dammit ._.
QUOTE (proj @ Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM) |
Seriously what's the big deal? Oviously this has been thought out. It's not like it's a democracy we're not changing countries or affiliations or absorbing a bunch of other linkshells. We're still talking about the same people with a new cool name and cool new linkshell color. This change will be a good catalyst for the linkshell moving foward. |
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Why not? Dive and Woe didn't pick the name out without consulting the rest of us. In fact, we even voted on the names. I do think that we should have probably consulted the entire linkshell, but they by no means have all the power. |
QUOTE (Zorya @ Apr 20 2004, 07:05 PM) |
There are people on the Linkshell who bend over backwards to help others out: Sil, Alex, Dirge, Bryn, Dom, Astrid, Wir, and Dorian are a few I can list right off the top of my head. In my opinion, these people exemplify the spirit of what AC should be. If you log on with the thought, "Let's see what I can get these people to do for me tonight," then in my opinion, you don't deserve to be carrying that pearl. You don't deserve to associate youself with us. If you use your fellow ACers with absolutely no intention of contributing anything of your own, you demean what makes AC a community, and frankly, you don't belong here. |
ok I admit we made a huge mistake in not informing many people of this change over. We fucked up plain and simple. I had no idea the type of reaction this would garner. I hear people saying they are not going to join this new Linkshell and others just outright pissed at us for some reason.
In my opinion, it has always seemed that all of the planning and setup for any mass Linkshell event has started here at ATHQ and has been overseen by the AT higher ups. I was under the impression that people are fine with a select group of players doing all the hard work for them and taking care of "business". And believe me when I tell you this, Woe and I have tried so hard to make a pleasant online experience for EVERYBODY.
In the begnining AT was a small core group of friends. This site has expanded on that and grown to accomodate our much larger "family" now. The caste structure apparent here is only to signify those who have been in AT for so long, and also to identify the forum staff and helpers. AT is not a dictatorship, It never has been.
This discussion has gone on far too long without any voice of reason. I cannot be here 24/7 monitiring topics. It seems people have already made their judgements concerning this without hearing my feedback on their opinions. I have seen the ruckus this has caused and the people who are already heading for the exit.
Let me say this one more time. Woe and I made a huge mistake. We never meant to alienate anyone, or make them feel that they do not have a voice concerning everyone's Linkshell.
The new Linkshell plan is now on hold, at least in my view.
Let us please continue this discussion without massive assmuptions and en masse dapartures. I feel that people have put their trust in us up to this point, do you think that we would lead you astray?
Do you think that we do not value your opinions?
I have more to say.
woot nice post... i still dont see what the huge problem was... i mean who came up with the original name and color?
who cares everyone have fun! its ffxi... this thread should have never made 4 pages......
guys.. its not a big deal.. lol i cant stress this enough... its a name change.. wow!.. and who cares if the higher ups made the decision..
1. they are higher ups.. simply put...
2. they know what they are doing.. they arent stupid...
3. without them you wouldnt even have this damn site....
4. chill out.. because just like with anything.. things can change.. and positive feedback can help...
either way.. i say do what you want with the ls color and name.. as long as i get a pearl when i come back may 7th..
Done....
dirge, thank you for saying something.... i feel exactly as you do. i've been sitting here reading this thread all day and i am just at a loss for words all i can say, is i'm am sincearly sorry to anyone we have offended, our intentions were nothing but good, i assure you all.
as dirge said, AT IS NOT in any way a dictatiorship. everyone here is equal, as is everyone in AC and ALL of your oppinions matter greatly.
Zorya and Elli: STOP IT, this is not the place for this. it shouldn't have been brought up here in the first place. it is entirely out of context.
AIM chatroom in progress. Turn on your AIM client right now to join the discussion,
QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 20 2004, 07:47 PM) |
And believe me when I tell you this, Woe and I have tried so hard to make a pleasant online experience for EVERYBODY. In the begnining AT was a small core group of friends. This site has expanded on that and grown to accomodate our much larger "family" now. The caste structure apparent here is only to signify those who have been in AT for so long, and also to identify the forum staff and helpers. AT is not a dictatorship, It never has been. Let me say this one more time. Woe and I made a huge mistake. We never meant to alienate anyone, or make them feel that they do not have a voice concerning everyone's Linkshell. |
QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 07:04 PM) | ||
From what I understand, the LS and the AT "clan" are two seperate things. So if this move to a new LS is to embrace ALL of the sites/groups/etc we are all from, why did only a select few get to vote? It seems that the AT "clan" is taking over the LS and the rest of us mean dick. I'm not mad at anyone, but this really pisses me off. If I have no say in anything concerning the LS, why the fuck should I be in the LS? I love you all for the things you have all done to help me...but this is stupid. I was lied to and made to believe that in the LS we were all equal. This seems to not be the case... |
I didn't think referring to someone as being a leader or leaders would help spark this kind of discussion on the LS. I was just saying that I trusted their decision and would follow whatever they decided on unless I really had a problem with the change. The reason why I said the color should change(and that was a little harmless nitpick) is because almost half of the bismarck server has our color linkshell. It would be unique if we had a less popular color that a million people didn't have. I honestly didn't think that this post would get this long. I knew there was going to be a response but I thought it would have been way less minor than this. Whatever gets decided on this issue, it won't make a difference to me as long as I still get to hang with this fine group of people until I quit this game(a long way off) forever.
haha.. look at what i started. like i said, i'll go to the meeting and hear everything out, before i make my final decision, but it's the very attitude of over half of these replies that has me questioning this move from the get-go. thank you dive and HC for clarifying about AC and AT, perhaps everyone else will listen and dispense with the caste system prattle. and thanks dive for owning up and taking responsibility.. although had i kept my mouth shut i doubt this topic would have gotten out of control.
Come to the AIM meeting everyone.
message darksidedive now
Feel free to add your opinions to this matter, but it has been decided that for now...the new LS idea is put on hold. There will be further topics on this matter soon.
Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter.
QUOTE (Woe @ Apr 20 2004, 07:57 PM) |
Zorya and Elli: STOP IT, this is not the place for this. it shouldn't have been brought up here in the first place. it is entirely out of context. |
I was online so I couldn't participate in the AIM thing (stupid single computer), but I'm gonna voice my opinion here. Feel free to ignore it. Immature name calling, complaining, fighting,.....this is all I do. Granted none of it is serious, but I apologize if I have offended anyone. Really if it seems that I am being offensive, try to remeber that I am probably just playing around (you'll know if I am seriously pissed off).
As for the LS change, I will go with whatever the higher ups here deciede. I don't really feel that it is my decision as it is not my LS. I do appreciate being let in and the help I have recieved. And I was very happy when you let in some of the people I know from Voodoo Moose. I don't know exactly where the problem lie. To be honest, I am usually too busy making fun of Alex or bitching about my AF to notice what else is going on. I apologize if I or anyone from VM has caused a problem. It was my intent to invite them so that they could experience the LS in the same manner that I have.
That being said, I have always rather enjoyed the name of the LS, even before I knew it's origins. If you wish to change it, then so be it. However, I don't think that there is any need for it. Maybe it is about time to start limiting new recruits; but these are decisions for those that are in charge. Thus I leave it at that.
Kitsume, your as much part of AC as I am, and I've been here since the brith of it.
We all have a voice in it. It is our badge, we wear it proudly as we do our adventuring in Vana'Diel. *salute*
And hehe, ofcorse its understood your messing around practically all the time, I'm sure no one is really offended whenever you push us on the floor, or kick us while we're healing.
QUOTE (Ikari @ Apr 21 2004, 09:38 AM) |
I apologize if I or anyone from VM has caused a problem. It was my intent to invite them so that they could experience the LS in the same manner that I have. |
QUOTE (Dorian @ Apr 20 2004, 05:37 PM) |
Sometimes people are just genually pissed off. But something does need to be done about the few who bicker and complain all the time. It's a mood killer. |
QUOTE (Nynaeve @ Apr 21 2004, 09:52 AM) | ||
I hope this is not the case, but would like to know if it is.... |
QUOTE (Zorya @ Apr 21 2004, 07:16 AM) | ||
Unless I am mistaken, I don't recall mentioning any names in my post. It therefore leaves me to assume that the deletion of my post was the result of some personal vendetta or someone else's temper tantrum. |
QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 21 2004, 01:49 PM) |
Of course it is not the case. Our VM friends have been nothing but kind and very friendly. Words carry so far, and the wrong word at the wrong time here, can set off deadly chain reactions. I do not have a problem with anyone from Voodoomoose, nor does anyone else here. VM has and will remain to be welcome here and in the Linkshell. |
So, who's up for some fun then? Meet me in the steaming sheep for a raging keggar? Eh? Eh?
-Ferra
as per the AIM chat last night, the meeting is still on.. it's just the name change, etc, that's been scrapped. no idea what the meeting will include, though, as no one seemed to know last night. hopefully we can plan something before saturday...
but regardless i probably won't be around for the meeting for very long. i got called into work on saturday night... graveyard.. so i'll only be around for an hour or two at the most.
QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 21 2004, 02:16 PM) |
as per the AIM chat last night, the meeting is still on.. it's just the name change, etc, that's been scrapped. |
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The new Linkshell plan is now on hold, at least in my view. |
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but it has been decided that for now...the new LS idea is put on hold. |
This is what I think about the whole thing.
We all know a mistake was made, and that's cool, it's a part of life. So now we hold some sort of vote to see what everyone on the LS's views are(as far as changing the name/color, etc) and go from there. I know for myself, it dosen't bother me if we change the name or color, as long as I have some vote in what the change is.
Next I think, and again this is just my own personal opinion, we should have a 3rd advisor(not leaders) to go along with Dive and Woe. Someone outside of the AT "clan". Only reason for it being someone outside of the actual "clan" is if something like this comes up again, that person wont have the Tribe as their first concern. What I mean is, with Dive and Woe, their main thinking is prolly that which betters the Tribe(which is understandable and ok). Someone outside of the actual "clan" might be able to say, "hey wait a sec, what about this or that", and the this or that in this example could be something Dive and Woe didn't think about. Just a thought...
Last but not least I think everyone is the LS owes Dive and Woe some applause. Just as I lead everyone in the AIM chat last night to do. They are trying their best and they do a lot for the betterment of our LS and the happiness of the members within. So please put one up for Diggy Dive and Wiggy Woe...
BTW, my sig kicks your ass...lol
QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 21 2004, 03:43 PM) |
What I mean is, with Dive and Woe, their main thinking is prolly that which betters the Tribe(which is understandable and ok). Someone outside of the actual "clan" might be able to say, "hey wait a sec, what about this or that", and the this or that in this example could be something Dive and Woe didn't think about. Just a thought... |
Well, I'm wrong...so shoot me...just trying to state my thoughts...my bad, I'll keep my thoughts to myself next time.
Oh FYI, I am usually available on AIM if something goes down (unless I am playing FF XI), so if ya'll want you can IM me whenever you see me online. tke917 is my SN.
QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 21 2004, 03:40 PM) |
Wrong. Here is what I said and I will quote myself. |
Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this meeting this Saturday... Neither will Veis. We will both be out of town and celebrating a birthday with our relatives then.
Sorry guys...
I sadly won't be able to attend the meeting, due to work, I could chime in through other means such as aim or yahoo messenger, as I sit on my ass watching cameras all day.
As for the possibility of a name change, it was a good idea, since it is no longer just AT and GC members, please note I had no say in it ether and I as many others didn't care about it ether and am sorry to see it go on hold for the time being.
The help issue, well help is always nice and yes some due expect help in return which is only fair and people do get angry when it isn't. Yet it shouldn't turn into arguements that effect everyone. So please no more.
Thanks again to Dive and Woe for having us here and for keeping the site up and running
I gotta admit with all the drama that's been going down lately with the fights, people leaving the game and this name change idea...I am anxious to see what will be said at this meeting. Dive has been laying low lately and hasn't been on FFXI(at least that I've noticed) in a few days. I hope everything works out well...
I'm sorry, I won't be in attendance. I hope everything goes well.
- 'Rinn
I will not be able to make it to the meeting.
Some shit came up and I doubt I will be on FFXI for a while either.
It's sad that so many people are still thinking about the name-change incident. I was hoping that the mess would blow-over. I'm at my class waiting on my ride. I'll think about it somemore and post later. There has to be some sort of a solution to all of the mess without people leaving because of it.
My apologies to those that would miss my presence, but I also will not be attending this meeting.
I want to know who is coming. Seems like everyone is either too angry to come or has to do something. It seems like most of the AT people involved in planning the meeting arenn't coming besides Woe(as far as I know). I think we need a meeting where everyone is able to come. I think it might help in the healing process cause all of this squabbling among the linkshell/boards is at least starting to affect me as well because I'm getting a feeling of helplessness.
With so many people not coming, is there even a reason for the rest of us to show up? Is there even a point to this meeting anymore?
Meeting canceled, for now...
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