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Free will..., Just an ideal?
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post Oct 4 2004, 07:51 PM
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Suppose for an instance there was definative proof of a god in this universe. If he knows everything we do, then is there really such a thing as free will?

Something I saw in a movie, not the exact quote but something along those lines. He then went to elaborate how the notion of free will is just a belief, an ideal we created to make us feel we are in control. He pretty much said that it is a theoretical ideal much like karl marx and his ideals on communism. Later on in the movie it talks about how we act only because it is in our genes. All of our decisions and thinking have been pretty much been preordained by genes and the nature, henceforth instinct. An autonamus thought that makes us perform or think an image already set by our body. They also elborated that even in our society we are controlled by rules, laws, norms, and unwritten laws. They then suggested that these guidlines are so effective becuase everyone wants to have a place in life and meaning. Like a gear in a clock. As opposed to just wandering around aimlessly and erratically like elctrons and atoms.

I thin I was pretty much aware of the thoughts psoted above, but never really did bother to contemplate much on the meaning of them. It seemed to make sense and be true which pissed me off alot. I still haven't gotten over it. Not becuase of what he said, but because that fact that I don't really see a way to rebut this and it might be true. That I am not in control. There was also alot more information which I failed to grasp at the moment which I think did provided an alternative thought. But I'm just curious to know as to what everyone else thinks on the matter.


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"Brotherhood asked for no friendship, only loyalty. They stood back to back as the galaxy burned - always brothers, never friends; traitors together unto the last."

--an Excerpt from a Night Lords Novel Void Stalkers Chapter X: Revenge
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DivA
post Oct 22 2004, 09:21 PM
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at last......i must say that i am disappointed with your progress; i expect that you would have been here sooner...tell me, did it trouble you to murder your brothers?

did it trouble YOU when you sent me to the abyss?

hehehehe - eternity is relentless, razael......when i stepped into this chamber - centuries ago, i did not realize its true meaning of power - to know the future, razael; to understand its paths & streams...as a man, i never dared to contemplate such forbidden truths......but then, we  are never truly what we once were..

have you not noticed that we have become like gods? & as such, are we not indivisible? so long as a single one of us exists - we are legion..

Mobius, foretold my fate - centuries ago, we are merely playing the parts, history has given us - free will, is an illusion..

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kain & razael's intro.. ;o


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sometimes, i wonder if i have free will, or if i am nothing more than a gaming piece of the gods of old.. our world is a mystery, but do delving into such things deeply provoke unwanted consequences?
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