Free will..., Just an ideal? Options

[AC9breaker]

Suppose for an instance there was definative proof of a god in this universe. If he knows everything we do, then is there really such a thing as free will?

Something I saw in a movie, not the exact quote but something along those lines. He then went to elaborate how the notion of free will is just a belief, an ideal we created to make us feel we are in control. He pretty much said that it is a theoretical ideal much like karl marx and his ideals on communism. Later on in the movie it talks about how we act only because it is in our genes. All of our decisions and thinking have been pretty much been preordained by genes and the nature, henceforth instinct. An autonamus thought that makes us perform or think an image already set by our body. They also elborated that even in our society we are controlled by rules, laws, norms, and unwritten laws. They then suggested that these guidlines are so effective becuase everyone wants to have a place in life and meaning. Like a gear in a clock. As opposed to just wandering around aimlessly and erratically like elctrons and atoms.

I thin I was pretty much aware of the thoughts psoted above, but never really did bother to contemplate much on the meaning of them. It seemed to make sense and be true which pissed me off alot. I still haven't gotten over it. Not becuase of what he said, but because that fact that I don't really see a way to rebut this and it might be true. That I am not in control. There was also alot more information which I failed to grasp at the moment which I think did provided an alternative thought. But I'm just curious to know as to what everyone else thinks on the matter.

[Shinobia]

free will...

is there really such a thing?..

after all the words "Free" and "will" were created long ago and the decision someone made to put them togeather was most certianly caused by actions beyond his/her control they just acted accordingly to there situation.

most choices are dictated by a chain of events that we ourselvs have mostly no control over. actually every choice every person on the planet has ever made have been dictated by a chain of events scince the dawn of time no matter how insignificant.

i.e.

a friend of your's is board and calls another friend who decides they should go to the beach then they call you and ask you if you want to go.

a) you say yes go meet your futre wife and live happily ever after

b) you say no never meet her, get some chick that you dont know "and ends up to be a bitch" at a party get her pregnent and your life is living hell until you die

now is the ability to choose to say "yes" or "no" free will?


If is is then i say no. becuse if our will was truly free you wouldn't be bound to the limitations of what we think is right and wrong and the limitations that socioty has put forth onto us all or we wouldn't act on sudden "feelings" that we have no control over
free will is just an illusion it's more like "somewhat free will" for as i said before almost all choices are dictated by actions beyond our control.

i.e

you decide to eat cheerios becuse you like the taste better over let's say frosted flakes. Now you made that decision becuse when you were just a little embryo and the genetic soup we all once where was cooking mixed togeather so that your taste buds are arranged so you like things that are less sweet than others

we all live in a world of rules and limitations and factors that we have no control over where certian things we deam "impossible" or "wrong","right" so on and so forth, so we do not concider them so in a sense free will is already proven wrong

i don't know, this is a very complicated question

if our will was free couldn't a depresed person make the choice to not be depresed anymore?...

i'm not shur to be honest it's a hard question with no real answer