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post Jul 24 2010, 01:36 PM
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post Jul 24 2010, 01:49 PM
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post Jul 24 2010, 03:04 PM
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Why do they call it Apple Jacks when it doesn't taste like apples?


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post Jul 24 2010, 04:01 PM
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More importantly, why do they call it Grape-Nuts when it doesn't contain any grapes or nuts?


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post Jul 24 2010, 07:05 PM
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post Jul 24 2010, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(Scan_Man @ Jul 24 2010, 07:05 PM) *
There is a rainbow lucky charm in the rainbow of Lucky Charms. It's a double rainbow.


What does this mean?!


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post Jul 28 2010, 01:15 PM
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Phase 2 of the beta will start tonight. Servers will now be up 24 hours. No more stupid scheduled tests at crappy times if you are in the EST time zone. Hopefully they fixed a ton of problems with the game.


In other news Everquest 2 goes free to play. Just like I been saying subscription model is not going to work unless its WoW.

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post Aug 11 2010, 05:39 AM
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Phase 3 started. So pretty much this version of the game, and any tweaks in the coming weeks, is what we can expect at release. My impressions so far.

First, they fixed the crappy controls, which is a major plus. Along with the battle improvements, fighting stuff actually feels like a MMO on PC, and not a sloppy PS3 port. Go figure.

The system before for initiating battle works on a PS3 control scheme, but feels clunky when mapped to PC controls. Initiating battle had a lot of unnecessary intermediate steps involved. You had to press "F" to draw your weapon to enter aggressive mode, then tab target to find enemy, press "C" to lock on to enemy, press a number key or "T" to toggle on your action bar, then press a number for the ability of your choosing on your action bar. Very cumbersome to the point where it would make it difficult to enjoy gameplay when first starting out. In any game nothing should impede gameplay, however the old system did just that.

Combat is a lot more enjoyable because of improvements. Now all you have to do is target an enemy, use the ability of your choosing. Everything mentioned above is automatically done. It works how every other MMO works. No more unnecessary intermediate steps for you to do in order for something that should be simple and an integral part of gameplay.

The other beef was the UI. The UI was very tailored to a console experience, with menus with sub-menus upon sub-menus. It is fine for a console because you are working with a Dpad, and limited amount of buttons. In consoles, you need menus and sub-menus, with confirmations of actions in case there is a miss-click or miss-selection, because one of the ways to get more functionality with limited buttons is to add different contexts in which to use those buttons. For the most part, the UI has been streamlined. Silly stuff like having three different sub-menus for inventory, and having to distribute loot into your bags has been taken out.

Seriously, when you received loot it did not automatically put it in your bag. Your loot was placed in a "Loot" sub-menu inside the inventory menu. You had to manually click on each piece of loot you collected, and what quantity, confirm to keep it or decide to discard it. After 5 hours of play, such a process could take 20 minutes. Does not help that the GUI interaction is server side, which means you have to wait for it if there is lag: servers are in Japan, and region free. Beyond retarded. Another system that interrupts gameplay.

Anyway, these types of menus makes sense for a console game where you can't drag and drop, "right-click" to destroy, or "shift + right-click" to choose quantity like you can on a PC. All this has now been streamlined, but the very basic menu system remains intact. I don't have a problem with this as long as they add the ability to customize hotkeys to open up different menus. I don't like hunting for what I need in a long list, if I need to open my Journal I should be able to by pressing "J."

Battle speed has been improved again, and with new animations! Battles are actually interesting to look at. Before the battle speed and animations was very akin to console FFs, which is kind of weird and boring for a MMO if you think about it. Not to mention slow. You engage an enemy with FF6-9 era sounding battle music from Nobuo Uematsu (glad he is back), wait for stamina (like ATB) before you can attack. Unlesh an attack by rushing forward. Then after the attack your character hops a few feet away from the enemy! Admittedly, I found this charming because that is how Final Fantasy battles are. This was not present in FFXI, which went for the stand around to tank and spank. In FFXIV the Final Fantasy feeling to battles was there, even though it was not as exaggerated compared to the single player game. It is gone now, namely the slow pacing, and hopping back. The new battle speed and animations changes gives the game more a WoW feel. For a MMO this is more fitting because spending up to five minutes on a single enemy gets old fast. And the hopping backwards sometimes led to targeting issues.

Oh, the classic FF victory fanfare is now present when you defeat enemies. In the previous beta phases you could only hear it when you complete a quest. It is bugged though because it goes off if someone next to you kills something. Very annoying in crowded areas. But, it is nice they are trying to go for a more traditional Final Fantasy feel where they can, and where it works.

Skill increase speed has shot way up. There is no official word as to why they increased the speed. It could be they want testers to quickly jump in to test group content with a wide range of skills. Or they realized leveling a single job is not viable for any kind of group play, nor solo. That the old rate of skill gains was too slow for training other jobs you need skills in. Took me about 20 hours to get to Rank 16 with one job. I figure the old rate was more so discouraging to group play because you needed to grind out 10-20+ ranks in several jobs to gain maybe the good skills to be party viable. For instance, Lancer had a haste self-buff earned at like rank 10+, making leveling Lancer mandatory for everybody (they later changed it to a Lancer only skill thankfully). Then you add in the fact that, you may need to switch to a job that is not your primary because of group composition.

Lastly, mouse is still handled by software. Square improved this somewhat, but it still lags like hell in high populated areas. So using mouse to target things is not that viable. This needs to be fixed.

Overall, I am impressed with the improvements. Hopefully, the game receives some much deserved polish in the coming weeks to be ready for launch.

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post Aug 11 2010, 11:20 AM
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Good info! I'm relieved about the control and battle improvements. Only a little over a month to go!
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post Aug 11 2010, 01:16 PM
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So now the real question, is anyone here planning on picking up the Special edition of the PC version for that week early play. Assuming it's like 11, we'll probably gonna need that week to download updates and install them. chocobo.gif


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post Aug 11 2010, 02:23 PM
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All depends on if I get a new computer up by then. If I don't then I'll probably have to pull an AC9breaker and wait till the PS3 release next march :(


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post Aug 11 2010, 03:24 PM
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The changes have actually made this game enjoyable in my opinion. It went from Superman 64 terrible, because controls and UI were that bad, to the level of any decent MMO you could spend hours and hours on. They listened to the ton of US players' bitching on the forums, and did not cave into the WoW haters and FFXI fanboys. It is a sign this game might actually end up being excellent in the coming months and years.

Though, I am not so sure yet I will pick the game up at launch. I'm still very much into World of Warcraft raiding, and there is still quite a lot of content left that my guild and I have not completed. I can see I'm not going to get a break from it before the Cataclysm expansion release. Also, DC Universe Online comes out in November which looks freakin fantastic in my opinion. But definitely, I have renewed interest in this game.


As far as computer goes. It is strange that FFXIV is a DirectX 9 game, but requires a DirectX 11 video card to run well. If you are not getting a constant frame rate of 30+ the mouse pointer is very laggy, and not usable (I'm not so sure if Square is going offer hardware mouse because the software mouse is to prevent bots or something). And you kind of need the mouse pointer to do things. I recommend the Geforce 460 GTX.


Check out this nice buying guide for anyone interested in building a new rig. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2003/1280087473915.png

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post Aug 12 2010, 01:34 PM
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I didn't want to say anything at the risk of drama, but this is why I kept secretly eye-rolling every time you posted complaining about stuff like controls in the BETA, and saying "I'm not gonna play this game because of so and so". There are many, many long, dramatic threads about these very kinds of comments in the beta forums. Did you think you were playing the finished product for free or something? Or that they wouldn't fix anything on the beta that people were concerned about? Then why have a beta?

I'm not trying to rage out, it's just you keep posting these walls of text that seem like wow-biased fully fleshed out game reviews full of invisible expectations, when they game isn't even finished yet. We could post about any game and say "this is not WoW, it can't do what WoW does". Just let it be it's own thing, ya know? Not every game has to be "the next WoW" for people to liked it, nor does it need the 9 gajillion players (or whatever WoW has) to be successful.

That aside, the more objective info you posted is much appreciated and very helpful, so thanks for that.


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Alisha
post Aug 12 2010, 04:17 PM
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i'll be waiting for ps3 release. but at least phantasy tsar zero is keeping me busy for now.


gimme some dish on armor. the bandana is a nice ode to your old fone. i HATED rainbow armor in FFXI. to the point that sometimes i wore inferior armor so i wasnt wearing like orange and green and grey shit.


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post Aug 12 2010, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(Alisha @ Aug 12 2010, 04:17 PM) *
gimme some dish on armor. the bandana is a nice ode to your old fone. i HATED rainbow armor in FFXI. to the point that sometimes i wore inferior armor so i wasnt wearing like orange and green and grey shit.




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