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Starcraft 2, (Relatively) Open beta access!
Crushinator
post Apr 22 2010, 03:23 PM
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You can now get SC2 beta keys for pre-ordering at Gamestop, so pretty much any of us who want in can do so!

I'll probably be snagging one later today, is anyone else going to get on this? We need to set up some AT games and b.net buddy lists!



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Scan_Man
post Apr 22 2010, 04:05 PM
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Just snagged mine today! beigesmile.gif


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Oddies da Nerfed
post Apr 22 2010, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(Scan_Man @ Apr 22 2010, 04:05 PM) *
Just snagged mine today! beigesmile.gif



I'll be getting in on this most likely tomorrow after work.


edit: Couldn't get back to sleep, so went ahead and pre-ordered, and beta key just arrived. If/when I am home this weekend, I am for sure in for some games.
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Crushinator
post Apr 23 2010, 08:39 AM
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I should be up and running tonight. Had to reload windows and I lost my damn install disc crash.gif


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Scan_Man
post Apr 23 2010, 03:20 PM
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I have a lot of work to do to get better at this game. Man, I got placed in the worse league and I'm still getting owned. I'm ranked like 53 in the Copper League 5th division. That sounds like I'm waaaaaaaaaay at the bottom of the barrel. I never had this much trouble in Command and Conquer 3 or Red alert 3.

It seems the bar is ridiculous high in the skill needed to even be considered a total noob. Seems to happen in these types of game that people been playing for years. Like in Heroes of Newerth, playing in newbie games means the people actually have 5 years of experience playing Defense of the Ancients, and you will get owned and cursed at if you fuck up.


Now some impressions.

The home screen interface is bitchin! It is similar to the interface to Heroes of Newerth, but cleaner. The ladder system is very nice, and lot easier to see where you stand than some of ELO systems some games use.

This game is badly optimized. Yeah I know it is in beta. But, it just like WoW is badly optimized; it is several years old but runs like crap on high settings compared to brand new games like Mass Effect 2 on high settings. Right now I'm using my laptop until I replace my high end graphic card (which died on me right before I could finish Mass Effect 2 a couple months back) in my desk top. My laptop is decent, but I ran into a few problems. I kept running into this error that would spam my screen during play saying Low Page Pool, game will start to run like crap blah blah blah. It never affected my performance, but it was annoying to keep seeing that message. Anyway, there are people with top of the line systems getting this message too. There is a fix on the forums, and after trying them it fixed that error. And it fixed the minor hitching problems I was running into during gameplay, but mostly on the home screen with the big planet and ship passing by. But yeah, you have people running this game with very good computers and are having framerate issues with Medium settings when they can handle Ultra settings.

The game is nice though. Very easy to jump into a game.


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Crushinator
post Apr 24 2010, 12:33 AM
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OK, i'm up and running. Got one game in before they took the server down AGAIN tonight. crash.gif

My starcraft username is crushinator.crushinator, add me and lets RUMBLE!


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Scan_Man
post Apr 24 2010, 06:08 PM
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SolidDave.brothageek is mine. It sucked server got wiped last night with the new patch. I also ran into a Platinum ranked player that offered some tips. It seems the key to this game is all about knowing the units and knowing what counters what. My problem is I can't seem to get enough units out and my opponent swarms my base.


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Oddies da Nerfed
post Apr 25 2010, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(Scan_Man @ Apr 24 2010, 06:08 PM) *
SolidDave.brothageek is mine. It sucked server got wiped last night with the new patch. I also ran into a Platinum ranked player that offered some tips. It seems the key to this game is all about knowing the units and knowing what counters what. My problem is I can't seem to get enough units out and my opponent swarms my base.



mojo.mojoojom (assuming not wiped again) I agree with what plat guy said. Friendly 1v1 with other AT proly good. Could just fight in center of map ignore bases to work on counters. Custom games let you play vs AI as well. IMO faster is also a little 'too fast' for default, specialy learning. May want to try just fast to get a feel for things.

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_StarCraft_II_units

While still missing info, it does make suggestions on counters/when not to use units.
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Crushinator
post Apr 27 2010, 11:26 PM
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Alright, I got you guys added. I've decided to try and focus on Terran as my main team. Zerg are WAY too weird to play compared to SC1 now, at least for me.

Also, I suck really bad :(


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post May 3 2010, 05:22 PM
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Wow! July 27th for release date. Maaaaan, I'm sure I am getting more than my money's worth on this beta.


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Oddies da Nerfed
post May 10 2010, 12:44 PM
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Really cannot wait for it to go live. For those still playing MP and looking for more infos: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Strategy Is a solid read, even if not complete.
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post May 10 2010, 09:33 PM
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I'm on as Tanshin.ninjagamer... I just finished my first game.

I think I got lucky on my first game. I picked random and ended up with zerg, and I moved at what I thought was an incredibly slow pace, because I was trying to check things out. I built up a little army of zerglings, hydralisks, ultralisks, and those flying wing guys (I forgot the name). I went over there, kept some reserves at my base because I assumed it would be a first assault to see what he really had. As soon as I broke the barrier thing to his base, he went "meh" as I charged into his base to fight his TWO MARINES. That's right, he had two marines and like 10 barracks in the time I got to ultralisks. Jesus, I thought I sucked at this game.

That's almost worse than just getting your ass handed to you by someone really good, though. All that work down the drain for some chump. So yeah, I agree, I'd rather play against AT people.


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Oddies da Nerfed
post May 11 2010, 09:16 AM
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I would personally get owned by someone good, as you can study the replay after and see what they did. Early game build orders and scouting is paramount in sc2.


For replays as well as shout casts of replays describing what players are doing, I personally roll with.
http://www.youtube.com/user/BlizShouter
http://www.teamliquid.net/sc2/

Can watch live streams, listen to whats going on etc. A nice way to see how people play and learn from them.
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post May 12 2010, 10:59 AM
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Time for Mojos big giant post of slightly useful info! This will be a collection of things I have learned while toying with sc2, as well as learned via replays/shoutcasts and so on.

Random infos: Time units for building/research are in seconds, however the number is assigned as if you are playing on normal speed. As the game defaults to faster, the actual time to build is less than the listed.
2v2 games, you can share unit control. This can allow one player to focus on macro and economy, the other microing the army.

Main stuff:

First and foremost for being better at sc2 is getting the macro/micro down. Learning and memorizing hotkeys to build units/structures is paramount. In addition to this, hotkeying your production centers so you can produce units while on the far side of the map without zooming back is another must. Having all your 'Rax assigned to say control group 4, lets you work on a battle, hit 4 a single time and begin queuing reinforcements. This also allows you to ensure you do not have an unnecessary stockpile of minerals. If you cannot burn minerals fast enough, you do not have enough Rax/hatch/gateways/etc. I have watched duration matches in unofficial tourneys where a player will have 8+ rax/gateways/etc. The obvious exception to this would be having 6 or so bases to the opponents 3. Stockpiling some is going to happen at this point.

Also with hotkeying, is timing the use of your command center/nexus/queen abilities. Mule are worth 270 minerals if deployed on the patch, they can also repair units in oh shit moments. Weigh that vs the scan to scout. The supply thing is pretty much ass, do not bother, use a MULE instead. Queens of course primary ability is +4 larva every 40s (normal game speed), followed closely by creep tumor (more on this wonderful things later) and a small heal which can be useful to keep spine crawlers alive and what not. Lastly is chrono boost, this one is all kinds of fun to play with with it improving the speed at which a building researches/builds things.

Some examples could be. Terran flys a CC over to a gold patch, while scv production takes a min to get going, you could drop a MULE on each patch provided you had the energy. This provides a massive boost to your economy while scv are relocating or building.
Toss, you can chrono boost the nexus for quick probe production, or save it for first gateway to kick out a very early zealot, one that could demolish a fast expand build opponent if they did not scout the chrono being saved rather than used on nexus.
Zerg is pretty simple, 19 larva max, so the primary ability to be used will be spawn larva. However, kicking out a creep tumor or two is highly advisable, do so when you have several larva spare and are not building any units currently.



Scouting: Oh so very important. Your initial build is very important, and must be changed up depending on opponent race (should they play random). After that you need to asses if they are going early aggressive, fast expand, quick tech and/or focusing on certain units. A zerg player for example should be wary if they see a factory with a reactor and must gear unit production toward dealing with hellions, spine crawlers are also very useful for dealing with them. Scouting with an scv/probe is typical. As for when to send on, below is a chart showing mineral loss based on which worker you send. The key is to get one early enough to get in before the base is walled off (toss/terran) while doing as minimal damage to your economy.



Lets say you got your worker inside a terran base, the terran is currently working on the choke point wall. If you can, target the scv constructing the rax/depot (not the building however) and use your worker to attack and try to kill it. If successful you just cost your opponent 50 min, and time spent not only rebuilding the worker, but time lost on the building being constructed. If this is not an option, shift click to set waypoints for your worker to make the rounds in the enemy base, be sure to check behind the mineral patch for hidden buildings. You can also try building on their gas to slow them down if they are fast teching and want both geysers (this is more for zerg and cheap extractors). Ultimately you want to keep your worker alive as long as possible (if trapped) and keep an eye on buildings/units being constructed, if chrono boost is being saved etc. Else, after a few laps and enough info is gathered to adjust your build order, evac the worker back to base, or camp it near for a proxy base/etc. Continue to scout your enemy from time to time and make adjustments to your unit composition as needed.


Build orders and how to understand them.
Any idea what 14 pool means? 10 pool? Overpool? Depending if SC is new for you, probably not. So here is how this works. The number is associated with the current food/population count. While the word is the action at the given point. 14 pool for example means once you build your 14th worker, you construct your spawning pool. Overpool means building the overlord at 10(11 min, more on this trick later) and as it finishes the pool is built. The format will be the same for all races with the structure being different obviously.
A lot of your time will be spent learning and memorizing the current primary builds for your fav race, as well as how to adjust them based on opponent and what build they are going. Your early build is very, very important and should become very natural for you to proceed through each game.


General tips.
It takes 3 workers to fully saturate a given mineral patch or geyser. Fully saturating a mineral field however is rare, though having it heavily covered is the best route.
Workers in the mineral fields will automatically move to unused patches, this is true for your initial 6 workers. General high end players select all 6 and direct them to one end of field, quickly drag selecting 3 and moving em to other end, this allows them to spread out quicker. Setting your worker rally point to mineral field will cause all built workers to start auto mining, this saves some time.
Capitalize on distractions. If you are crushing an opponents expansion, quickly build another expansion of your own. Losing an expansion? Drop in the enemies base or hit one of their expansion. Both armies engaging in center of map? Sneak some burrowed roaches past the entrance and get ready to demolish workers. Use the xelnaga towers, check in weed/smoke areas as well as up ramps for proxy pylons that might be used for warp gates.


Toss tips.
Toss cannot initial block their choke like terran due to no lowering buildings. Zealots on hold ground work perfect for blocking the entrance however. Sentries do very solid damage in addition to their powerful support abilities. A few sentries microd can forcefield a small ramp for some time to prevent attacks. Double pylon primary construction clusters, otherwise a few banelings/reapers can ruin your day. Colossus can be hit by air to air units, while not being able to attack them back, keep this in mind if the enemy has a lot of air units like vikings etc, reconsider constructing colossus. Warp gates rule, place a proxy pylon in some smoke/weed areas or up a ramp so ground units running by will not see it. Warp units from gates in and reinforce forward army faster.


Terran stuffs.
Basic walls consisting of supply depot or a rax+ addon can be very dangerous against zerg. A handful of banelings can demolish those smaller buildings allowing speedlings access to your base and your worker line. Reapers can hop up and down cliffs, and 3 of them will insta pop a worker great early harassment. If you see a baneling nest, rethink your M&M build, it will not last long if the zerg player is using a decent amount of banes. Nuking a mineral field is horribly effective, even if your opponent moves all the workers, the minerals lost by not mining will most certainly be far more than the nuke cost. Ghosts hurt, a lot, and not just with emp and nuke, however emp + nuke against toss = lulz.


Zerg.
Extractor trick: get 10/10, send drone to build extractor (25min), make drone with free food slot, cancel extractor, celebrate you are at 11/10. Creep is amazing, it acts as a scout letting you see the area it covers, it helps your units regen, and best of all it improves the speed of your units, by a lot. Using overlords to spread creep as well as creep tumors gives you a speed advantage against opponents. Spread creep, lots and lots o creep! Overlords are no longer detectors, you must upgrade them for that, but do not upgrade all of em, spawn creep owns! Changlings do not do anything beyond take the shape of nearest enemy, this however is good because enemy might not realize what they are unless they target the unit, and they provide you with scouting and LoS for worms. Nydus worms do not require creep to spawn on, they can spawn anywhere you have LoS, though they take a few seconds. This allows you to hit the enemy worker packs if you can get LoS via overlord/changling.



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Scan_Man
post May 12 2010, 09:37 PM
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Awesome info dude! Thanks a lot. Have not had much time to pop on SC2. Maybe this weekend.


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