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Crushinator
post Jan 7 2013, 11:26 AM
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New intro video release today (although the first 5 mins or so is crap from a previous trailer).



Sign up here:

http://entry.ffxiv.com/beta/na

Here's the roadmap for the beta:



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Knightsword
post Feb 26 2013, 09:40 PM
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You can get the first killing quests right away if you want and skip the ones in the town or if you wish forgo all the quests and just grind. The only important quests are the story ones for the city and your current's class's guild which have their own icon (fancy border around the !). I don't see how options are a turn off, but to each their own.
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(Knightsword @ Feb 26 2013, 10:40 PM) *
You can get the first killing quests right away if you want and skip the ones in the town or if you wish forgo all the quests and just grind. The only important quests are the story ones for the city and your current's class's guild which have their own icon (fancy border around the !). I don't see how options are a turn off, but to each their own.




Yeah I am sure you can. But that is knowledge a new player does not have yet. A new player is collecting all the quests they see and doing them. Saying you can skip this and that because this and that is important is knowledge you have once you have played through multiple times already. The point of the introduction is to guide/teach new players the systems to play the game and hook them. The hook to nearly all MMO's is to get out into the world and kill things. That is fun or not based on combat/class mechanics and quests. Additional hooks are gathering and crafting things. That's the gameplay of MMORPGs.

Just like with v1.0, I know what new players expect. But if you have the mindset of a veteran, someone that has ton of experience playing the beta, or even a fan that was going play regardless, you ignore and overlook the flaws because you know where everything is. That's what happened with the developers on v1.0, they designed the game so "it must be fine" because they already have knowledge of the game. They selectively listened to feedback that praised the game by the folks that were fine with the game as is. While the rest of us who were pointing out the flaws got ignored and the game ended up being shit.

All that was required was stepping out the "all knowing" bubble and see the game through the eyes of a new player. That would of seen that v1.0 was a mess long before alpha and beta.


With that said the introduction has pacing problems. It's like the first thing that jumped out at me while playing through it.


How is a new player suppose to know they what they can skip, when in MMOs you get quest for an area and complete the chain until gives you quest to go to a new area? The quest flow in this game is the same as WoW. And that's a flow most people coming into this game will be used to. You get the kill quest, but there is more "!" on my map in town to do.

Seriously, typical new players don't skip quests that are marked on the map like that unless the conveyance and quest flow is shit (like warps you or leads to a very far off area). Whatever your opinions on WoW are, they have trained MMO players to talk to NPCs with "!" to accept quests. The fact the quest have level ranges further incentives the urgency to "get these done" in your quest log as they are near by on the map.

I never said options are a turn off. They I said Guild Wars 2 does this because because you have options and I will add it's clear from the start you can do whatever you want.

New players are not going to understand the symbols right away. They will see "turn-ins" and new quests "!" marked on their map and will inclined to do them.


I want this game to be good for new players, WoW players, Guild Wars 2 players, FFXI players, and anybody else. I am focused on the town introduction right now because everything else I played is good for the most part. That introduction is suppose to hook players. And I just don't see it happening with the current pacing. If WoW has issues hooking 70% of new players with it's pacing. What is this game going to do with it's much slower pacing? You know even Guild Wars 2 answer was to make a faster paced intro than WoW and they don't have the subscription model hanging over their heads.

Understand I am not speaking from a die hard fan perspective. A die hard will have knowledge of where the meat of the game is either through playing beta, or researching via forums and guides. They will know where the fun is and how to get to it quickly. But for a new player they are clueless as to where the game will take them next, and usually assume all starting quests are important to progression. So "you can skip it," when clearly it's there to lead new players, is not a fix.


Edit: I get the impression you think by me bringing up these issues I am asking for help or advice. Not the case, since I thoroughly go through everything and test multiple times with the time I have. The idea is to point out good points and flaws and find bugs. I never said I had issues finding the skip cutscene button or press ESC twice to get the dialogue box to skip; which by the way was bugged on some cutscenes. Again I test this content multiple times, going through watching all cutscenes, skipping cutscenes, and skipping some and not others to see if there is any weirdness. To get a feel what it's trying to convey to the player. That's how you test. Just noting that particular chunk of content is slow and needs to direct you into combat faster.


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post Feb 27 2013, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(Scan_Man @ Feb 26 2013, 10:24 PM) *
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Are you posting this same feedback on the Beta forums? I know you want to make your point clear to Knightsword but its probably better served on the official forums.

I do agree that you should be "up and killing shit" within a few minutes of starting, I felt like this was a problem with the alpha too. You get all these in-town quests and it took me a good 30+ minutes to even figure out where the gate was to get outside and fight stuff. I think the ideal setting is starting you OUTSIDE the town and you have to fight your way "in" while being tutorialized, then the game can branch from there.


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QUOTE(Crushinator @ Feb 27 2013, 11:14 AM) *
QUOTE(Scan_Man @ Feb 26 2013, 10:24 PM) *
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Are you posting this same feedback on the Beta forums? I know you want to make your point clear to Knightsword but its probably better served on the official forums.

I do agree that you should be "up and killing shit" within a few minutes of starting, I felt like this was a problem with the alpha too. You get all these in-town quests and it took me a good 30+ minutes to even figure out where the gate was to get outside and fight stuff. I think the ideal setting is starting you OUTSIDE the town and you have to fight your way "in" while being tutorialized, then the game can branch from there.



I agree with Crush about how a game should handle a starting Zone.

Ergo...

Fuck this game
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Crushinator   FFXIV: ARR Public Beta Info Thread   Jan 7 2013, 11:26 AM
Vitamin D   Just signed up, selected PC and Tr3y. Game looks p...   Jan 7 2013, 02:07 PM
Kazicht   QUOTE(Vitamin D @ Jan 7 2013, 02:07 PM) J...   Jan 17 2013, 12:44 AM
HC82   I signed up for the beta as well for the PC.   Jan 8 2013, 01:29 PM
Crushinator   QUOTE(Vitamin D @ Jan 7 2013, 02:07 PM) J...   Jan 18 2013, 01:54 PM
AC9breaker   QUOTE(Crushinator @ Jan 18 2013, 02:54 PM...   Jan 19 2013, 04:12 AM
Alisha   i signed up ps3 and pc.   Jan 19 2013, 02:17 AM
Alisha   the beta doesnt start till feb.   Jan 19 2013, 04:48 PM
Crushinator   http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/60542 ...   Feb 15 2013, 04:25 PM
Knightsword   I think that's a Highlander female. Also unless yo...   Feb 15 2013, 08:54 PM
Ellianna   I just signed up for this the other day and though...   Feb 20 2013, 03:27 PM
AC9breaker   I'll be playing it when it drops, since godamn Cru...   Feb 20 2013, 08:46 PM
Knightsword   QUOTE(AC9breaker @ Feb 20 2013, 08:46 PM)...   Feb 21 2013, 05:37 PM
Ellianna   I can't blame anyone here since I haven't been aro...   Feb 22 2013, 07:52 AM
Knightsword   I dont have the link handy since I typing from my ...   Feb 22 2013, 08:52 AM
Ellianna   QUOTE(Knightsword @ Feb 22 2013, 09:52 AM...   Feb 22 2013, 12:43 PM
Crushinator   I got a beta invite mail as well, so expect more p...   Feb 22 2013, 10:45 AM
Knightsword   Perhaps a thread in the ops forum, to avoid any ND...   Feb 22 2013, 10:50 AM
Scan_Man   I got in too. I did the benchmark last night. . . ...   Feb 22 2013, 03:10 PM
Knightsword   From the producer letters, it sounds like the phas...   Feb 22 2013, 03:38 PM
Kazicht   Dammit, where's my email? :|   Feb 22 2013, 04:38 PM
Knightsword   QUOTE(Kazicht @ Feb 22 2013, 04:38 PM) Da...   Feb 22 2013, 04:45 PM
Vitamin D   I didn't get an email either, I think it's because...   Feb 22 2013, 09:55 PM
Alisha   i didnt get an invite either :( but heres my bench...   Feb 23 2013, 07:01 AM
Kazicht   QUOTE(Alisha @ Feb 23 2013, 08:01 AM) i d...   Feb 23 2013, 08:38 AM
Alisha   QUOTE(Kazicht @ Feb 23 2013, 09:38 AM) QU...   Feb 23 2013, 12:45 PM
Crushinator   QUOTE(Alisha @ Feb 23 2013, 11:45 AM) its...   Feb 23 2013, 02:11 PM
DarkEpyon   I signed up twice but forgot to do the survey on o...   Feb 23 2013, 10:01 AM
DarkEpyon   I use an old HDTV for my PC. Works great!   Feb 23 2013, 02:59 PM
Knightsword   Hell, even my samsung monitor is a hdtv too.   Feb 23 2013, 09:48 PM
HC82   I got no email. Fuck this game...   Feb 24 2013, 01:46 PM
donkeybeatz   QUOTE(HC82 @ Feb 24 2013, 01:46 PM) I got...   Feb 24 2013, 04:04 PM
Ellianna   Tried using the benchmark....wont run. Keeps givin...   Feb 25 2013, 03:35 AM
Knightsword   Make sure to extract all files and sub folders to ...   Feb 25 2013, 04:18 AM
Ellianna   It was a directX issue, was missing a dll file so ...   Feb 25 2013, 09:02 AM
Scan_Man   Game is solid. UI and mechanics. Just to be seen i...   Feb 25 2013, 06:10 PM
Knightsword   QUOTE(Scan_Man @ Feb 25 2013, 06:10 PM) J...   Feb 26 2013, 01:32 PM
Scan_Man   QUOTE(Knightsword @ Feb 26 2013, 02:32 PM...   Feb 26 2013, 08:08 PM
Knightsword   You can get the first killing quests right away if...   Feb 26 2013, 09:40 PM
Scan_Man   QUOTE(Knightsword @ Feb 26 2013, 10:40 PM...   Feb 26 2013, 11:24 PM
Crushinator   QUOTE(Scan_Man @ Feb 26 2013, 10:24 PM) s...   Feb 27 2013, 10:14 AM
HC82   QUOTE(Crushinator @ Feb 27 2013, 11:14 AM...   Feb 28 2013, 12:12 PM
AC9breaker   I'm ready I guess.   Feb 27 2013, 07:36 AM
Knightsword   My issue is every mmo starts off with combat, and ...   Feb 28 2013, 04:21 PM
DarkEpyon   Honestly, what else is there though? It's still "t...   Mar 2 2013, 03:34 PM
Vitamin D   Well, at least I got into Phase 2. It apparently s...   Apr 9 2013, 04:00 PM
Crushinator   Nice, we can all be man-cats together! Are they r...   Apr 9 2013, 04:21 PM
Vitamin D   Naw, next the next phase is for the Tr3y. If I get...   Apr 9 2013, 04:46 PM
Ellianna   Got my email for beta test this morning, yay!   Apr 10 2013, 07:20 AM
Crushinator   Holy shit! I love it, and the homage to FF6's ope...   Apr 11 2013, 10:41 AM
Ellianna   So what server are you guys using? >.>   Apr 12 2013, 06:40 AM
Crushinator   I'm on chocobo, to be honest I haven't even seen a...   Apr 12 2013, 09:32 AM
Vitamin D   When I made my character, Chocobo was full, so I h...   Apr 12 2013, 09:47 AM
Ellianna   yea chocobo is full :/ I started on Behemoth, but ...   Apr 12 2013, 10:03 AM
Crushinator   If Atmos is still open I have no problem just star...   Apr 12 2013, 11:16 AM
Ellianna   It was when I looked earlier, going to log in now ...   Apr 12 2013, 02:49 PM
Crushinator   New areas look amazing.   May 23 2013, 12:05 PM
AC9breaker   So what the hell is up my ninjas? You ninjas play...   Jun 1 2013, 08:53 AM
Crushinator   I played the beta quite a bit, its really improved...   Jun 3 2013, 09:14 AM
Vitamin D   I honestly was impressed with the game, despite th...   Jun 3 2013, 10:12 AM
Alisha   i played phase 2 as you can see in the ops thread ...   Jun 8 2013, 01:09 AM
Crushinator   Unless they add a lot more content I'm done fuckin...   Jun 8 2013, 05:33 PM
Knightsword   Phase 3 is suppose to have the other cities and th...   Jun 11 2013, 04:38 PM
Alisha   rest of the classes too sans arcanist   Jun 11 2013, 07:56 PM
DarkEpyon   Well I got my key this morning. I'm still fighting...   Jun 14 2013, 07:32 AM
Ellianna   I've gotten to level 4, but now i keep getting dis...   Jun 14 2013, 09:15 AM
Crushinator   Oh damn I didn't know it was back up this weekend!...   Jun 14 2013, 09:30 AM
Knightsword   I'm roll'n on Diabolos for this round.   Jun 14 2013, 09:07 PM
Crushinator   Making a new doob on Diablos right now.   Jun 15 2013, 09:38 PM
DarkEpyon   I definitely liked what I saw in the time I had wi...   Jun 16 2013, 09:33 AM
Knightsword   The beta of the new Lodestone is up and running.   Jun 20 2013, 07:11 PM
Scan_Man   Man the producer of this knows what the fuck he is...   Jun 22 2013, 12:58 AM
HC82   Don't have beta access forums. Could you copy and ...   Jun 22 2013, 10:01 PM
Scan_Man   Yeah sure. Didn't think to do that because I had j...   Jun 23 2013, 05:42 AM
Gabriell   Just made a character on Diablos. Gabriel Verst.   Aug 17 2013, 10:06 AM
Wiryu   Dude on Ultros. Wiryu Eam.   Aug 17 2013, 01:15 PM
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Wiryu   I hope it's on Ultros! I'm so pimped out! SO PIMPE...   Aug 17 2013, 07:04 PM
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Kazicht   QUOTE(Crushinator @ Aug 19 2013, 09:01 AM...   Aug 19 2013, 10:00 AM
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Wiryu   So during this last Beta period, I got a little ca...   Aug 20 2013, 09:57 AM
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