the meeting has been put on hold.

Oh the excitement, it burns in my little skull <3

-Ferra

your local crag? ie. sandorians go to holla, assrockers to dem, etc?

So what's th plan? YOu make me and Bryn get everone to the same crag? I see how it is. I'M JUST A SLAVE!

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I won't be there guys, sorry, band trip to California, but if it's this huge, could someone PM me with what happens?

Wow really can't wait for this, it'll be nice to see everyone together in one spot. Hopefully I'll be able to come hehe.

LOL! 10pm? Oh dear lord, you forget I'm old and I'm usually by 10pm on a Saturday!

This will give me incentive to stay awake then, huh! *grin*

Figures I miss all the good stuff when I'm NOT able to get on >_<

Be thankful it's not midnight Nyn hehe,last one was quite late...by the way i'm retired from FF now,so hope you guys have a great time.

Aww man I wont be able to make it. If you guys end up staying after 1pm est time maybe I could meet up with you guys. I could try to get someone to cover for me at work but I highly doubt that I can make it. Btw for those who dont know Im Breaker the thieving Galka.

~pst? =/

*shakes head* hmmm, most unfortunate - this upcoming weekend (april 23rd - 25th) i'll be at the new living expo at SF & on the 24th at 7:00 pm will be the science & art of homeopathy seminar; this is something that i cannot pass up...i'll be sure to join the next official campaign, but since this expo happens once a year ~ it will prove fruitful if i be there to learn keys in self-cleansing..

How convenient that these self cleansing seminars follow April 20th?

Anyways, I will certainly be in attendance of this meeting.

mm....I will see if I can make this one since I miss every other FFXI meeting...><.
Shame on me!

My interest in FFXI has been less than expected lately.

Most of my free time is spent at school now with homework and such.

When I get a chance I am usually on PSO...playing challenge...or talking with PSO friends...go figure!

The most that I completed is up to challenge C2C2 lately and only because a friend invited me that I had not played with in a long time.

I just played "follow the leader" which I have not done in forever in challenge!

Kinda fun actually and not so difficult. Did not die a single time. Boss is a little lengthy to complete...just be sure not to get near it when it stomps down...insta-kill.

Okay, nice to talk to everyone again and see ya on Saturday night!
oyasumi!
おやすみ～♪
--Sheik

News updated. Please review it and make an effort to make it saturday.

I'm going to try my hardest to make this meeting even though I don't have access to my computer but I might be able to get on...Not promising anything so I may or may not be there.

Iam sorry i dont think I can make it to the meeting. I would not get back in tiem for it. What are my options? heh.

I will do what I can to be there.
My friend is in from San Fran for the weekend, but if this is a matter of much importantce then I can log on for a bit. I just need to know where and when in advance.

-Alex

perhaps the new linksack formed by Felys and Nevah. TheGS could be involved in Pearl alliance as well? I'm sure they would be interested in forming it.

Are merging in theirs or is a new shell being born?

-Alex akak hamtaru

Woot! Im gonna be able to make it. I got someone to cover for me. one thing though... SInce Im still the noob here, I havent been anywhere outside of the little bastok wasp infected area. Therefore Im most likely to get loss or pwned by some rock lizard like last night x.x

So if someone could hold my hand to the camping ground that would be cool. Im still trying to get the hand on what all the dam buttons do. I just learned yesterday how to talk to the whole linkshell at once lol. *5points for me*

Hmm. Sounds like quite a feet to get this transition.. hope it all goes as smoothly as possible.

Also have you guys decided on a color for the pearle yet? Or perhaps that purple text may have answered my question, Hehe.

Anyway, I'll be there.

no disrespect meant when i say this, but what if some of us don't want to become "soul survivors"? i like the name "apocalypse cow" and think we should keep it. wouldn't it be easier to just restrict recruiting policy and take away sack holder rights than to scrub it all, lose a great LS name (that actually reflects who we are AT+GC -- for the most part), and invite all kinds of confusion. as to the arguing, it doesn't happen often enough to merit such drastic actions. in order to cut it out entirely you'd also have to cut down all the useless prattle on the /linkshell channel as well. much of the arguing (from what i've seen and personally been involved with) comes from people voicing opinions over a public channel. you cannot allow one person to express an opinion without allowing another to express his/her own. therefore arguing in its basest form will always exist on any linkshell regardless of color or name, unless we are all censored. if that is the direction the linkshell is moving in, i'm sorry to say, but i'm not interested.

long live the cows.

We should at least change the LS color if everyone isn't in approval of the new plan. I'm in support of whatever Woe and Dive decide on and I think that someone had to have had an argument on the linkshell recently to contirbute to the no arguing rule that was decided on. This may be to curb negativity on the linkshell as well. I know some people may not be in the best of moods after a long tiring day of work and to come on FFXI and see people in the linkshell bickering may make feelings worse.

yeah, but who are the "leaders"? if the shell is supposedly a combination of AT, GC, VM, etc, who calls the shots, the leaders of each of the prospective forums? and the color is really the least of concerns.

.*Edit* Changed "leaders" to Woe and Dirge on above post. It seems like they are usually the ones that make the decisions regarding the meetings and whatnot and and that's why I called them the leaders. What I said probably came from me only really being active here at the Apocalypse Tribe.

i guess that's it for me then. well .. who knows.. i'll go to the meeting, but i highly doubt i'll be switching over. eh, maybe it's the booze talking...

Seriously what's the big deal? Oviously this has been thought out. It's not like it's a democracy we're not changing countries or affiliations or absorbing a bunch of other linkshells. We're still talking about the same people with a new cool name and cool new linkshell color. This change will be a good catalyst for the linkshell moving foward.

Nobody is being left behind. I have been a part of gaming clans since the mid nineties and I think that changing names and what not is fun! It gives you history and perspective. You don't lose your identity, you build your bonds stronger by changing together.

I like that there are no hard and fast rules besides the obvious. Respect others and the community by not bickering in public.

I know I'm new and what not but I have a lot of respect already for everyone here and look foward to the change.

I gotta agree with Chibi about the arguing aspect. Everyone is human and there are just gonna be days when something negative might come out on the LS. Now if we have a certain person involved in most of the beef, then I think it's time for something to be done. I mean, what if Dive or Woe get into with someone, do the same rules apply to them? I think keeping the arguing to a minimum is important, but it's not life or death. I think there are a few more important matters that could be aired out before we worry this much about arguing.

I also think this is a lot of work just to change the LS name. We could do everything mentioned of the front page with the LS we have now, cept for the actual name change. But ehh that's just my two gil. In the end, as long as this dosen't become a dictatorship...I'm down for whatever...

EDIT...wow, I have a problem with this...

I also think that our new arguing policy could be faulty because what if like I come online and say hi to everyone, then Tan says..."Jade your ugly", and I say yeah Fuck you too. Now he and I know we are just playing around but there are a lot of LS members that don't know me(or him) very well and might think we are having a fight. This could affect me a lot because I always speak my mind and just let the shit fly when I'm having fun. Ehh, I'm getting more and more down as the day goes by...lol

I don't think a "No arguing policy" is needed, people just need to understand why they don't need to argue.

Look, I'll be straight up. If you as a person are too self absorbed, then your totally NOT getting the idea of the culture of the AT community. It's about helping each other out, not because you have to be, but because you want to.

Everyone is supposed to have each others back. So what if you don't get the item? People are 'supposed' to be there to make sure everyone gets their fair share at one point or another. If people put in the time to get something for someone else other then themselves, everyone needs to put in the time to get that something for those who were left out. If your only thinking about yourself, your not getting the flow of what the AT is about, or how a good mmorpg guild works.

Many of the members put themselves second and everyone else first. If people do that for you, then you gotta realize why you should do the same.

Maybe I should have clarified "It's not a democracy" comment as it's not very clear what I mean.

I'm really not trying to raise stink just saying how I feel on the matter and try to put at ease some of the concerns I hear as I have been through something like this a few times before.

I have been in 'clans' where it was a literal democracy, there was a leadership vote, and votes on everything. It was craziness and way over done. People get together as a bunch of friends and start to turn the thing into some kind of pseudo online government when it doesn't need to be anything of the sort.

Here you have a group of friends who respect each other and want to have fun and not let things break down into bickering. You obviously have a few leaders but we're not talking about full scale government here. Woe isn't going to start taxing you to come on the next rank mission ;D

If I think something is messed up I just say 'hey what's up with this'? If I want to change linkshells I do so. To sum up, the linkshell is a collection of people doing how they please (hopefully helping each other) in a friendly connected environment. Say Woe starts drinking stalin soda and comes down on everyone with his hammer and scythe, so what? People leave? The group is defined by it's members the shell and sack holders really have no control over anyone in the group other than by kicking you out if violate group policies. So the linkshell is intrisically defined by it's members and their behaviour.

Now not to get too offtrack here from the original discussion. The purpose of the name/color change seems to be:

Defining a new combined identity that better represents what the linkshell on bimarck has become.
In the process of doing this setting out a very simple charter to ensure good communication.
Get a new color and usher in a new era for the FFXI server residents.

Now since I've been so pro-change and going along with it let me try to play my own devil's-advocate.

If it ain't broke, why try to fix it? The linkshell seems to get along really well.
History, heritage and reputation could be lost as the linkshell has already been building a good reputation for itself.
While plenty of people will go along for the change is it really worth it if it leaves some other's feeling alienated who don't accept the change well.

omg if you guys change the name and color of linkshell.. oh man will you not want to feel my rath!!



*sarcasm+99*

Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we have casts and what not, but everyone here is equal, Just some of the other people like Dark Templar are mods, and Arbter are people who can edit the forums, don't think of it as people having power over you, cause no one here has power over anyone.

WHOA! Calm down guys. This thread was just a news thread. I think the context may have been take a bit far. Remember, we're all friends here. No need to go for eachother's throats now.

*does the shame shame finger gesture thing*


EDIT: Tis a shame Dive has to come home to this after a long days work. :(

*Passes around chill pills*

Chill peeps, this kind of stuff shouldn't be happening here. Simple as that.

Even if I don't play this damn game.