QUOTE(Oddies da Nerfed @ Dec 5 2007, 02:14 PM)

QUOTE(Crushinator @ Dec 5 2007, 11:44 AM)

QUOTE(HC82 @ Dec 5 2007, 06:44 AM)

Food for thought:
If you put away $1000 in a 1 year 5% C.D, you get 50 bucks in interest, but...
If you put away $10,000 in a 1 year 5% C.D. you get 500 bucks in interest at the end of the year. That's like a free game system. The more you save now, the greater the interest accumulates.
Not to stray from the subject of this topic, but being a nomad is cool now, since you're figuring out a lot of things in life, but do disipline yourself to start saving up regardless.
Oh, I am quite the jew when it comes to finances, really. I save a lot, but I am looking for a good way to invest my money so it actually builds up, intead of just sitting in my checking/savings accounts with the shit 2.5% interest or whatever. I'll check into the CD thing with my bank. Any other sage money advice?

Mutual funds are always solid. If you ever end up employed by the Federal Government their TSP program owns. Any employer offered savings/retirement plan where they match up to a certain amount usually go well for the employee. Just be certain of any restrictions that may be in place should you ever leave. My TSP plan with gov allows me to put any % of my pre tax yearly income with the gov matching up to 5%. Currently the high risks have like 8% growth rates.
As for my current status, mainly just work work. I am gainfully and rather happily employed at the IRS Ogden facility in the Campus/National Print Services division. Still trying to get on solid financial ground after that last shitty dead end job. Getting there slowly, night/Sunday differential helps a shitload. Beyond that really the same ole, work work, play when able and get shitfaced on the weekends. Gaming wise, still a PC man, WoW and EvE are mainstays with a hodge podge of games like Crysis, HL2-Portals, Hellgate:London, and anything else entertaining looking for in between fun. Hope to be snagging a 360 before long, get in on some Haro 3 and CoD4 MP action with the crew. Beyond that, just the same ole same ole. Cannot argue with leading a bit of a simple life now and then.
I've been thinking of picking up a Wii myself, but damned if I can squeeze in time to play..
As for money:
Oddies is right. Mutual funds will provide a much higher rate of interest than a C.D., but you're exposing yourself to the market and it lacks FDIC insurance (which is the best part about it). Before I go more in depth with mutual funds, what oddies is referring to is a government 403(b) (TSA = tax sheltered annuity). It's geared toward retirement and is tax deferred, which means uncle sam can't get his greedy paws on it intill later on. There are non government versions and we call them IRAs. I'll just give a quick rundown of how it works and it's benefits:
Tax deferred Annuities and IRAs:
1. Geared for retirement... placing a lump sum of $30,000 in an annuity at 30 years of age with a good 10% rate of interest will yield a $500,000+ in growth when your 65.
2. It's tax deferred... This means you pay taxes later, not right now. This is huge. This allows your money to grow faster since uncle sam can't take his cut intill you withdraw. Since the IRS can't take the taxable earnings yet, the tax deferred interest stays there and you get interest on the A) principal, B) the interest gained, and C) the taxable interest gained. Pretty much your getting more interest on the interest gained, then if the taxman came and took it away now, versus in the future. You compound this interest for 30 years and you've got yourself set up.
3. More reasons why tax deferred is awesome... When you're a geezer, you probably will be unemployed and not working. That means you'll be in a low tax bracket. So when you finally have to pay taxes on your annuity, the tax man takes a lot less. This is is dependent on a lot of factors though.
4. Might be tax deductible. Depends on your income.
4. You can't touch the money intill your 59 1/2 years old. That's why uncle sam gives you a tax break on it. If you touch the money, you get penalized 10% of your earnings, which is bad. The key point to know is that you CAN touch your IRA if you're using that money as a first time home buyer and you will not receive that 10% penalty. If you're looking to buy a home in the future, putting your savings in a traditional IRA is a smart thing to.
Mutual funds:
1. They're sexy... They give much higher rates of return than a C.D. But are broken down into a few things:
a) Your risk tolerance: Riskier mutual funds can cause you to actually lose your money, but they can have a HUGE payout.
b) Professionally managed: Instead of learning the stock market, you've got PHDs and CFAs doing the hard work for you, as they get crackin' and make you money.
c) Are almost always profitable under a long term situation. Mutual Funds are geared for longer term invests (5+ years), but can still be quite profitable if shorter.
d) Are broadly diversified. This means that your mutual find portfolio can have 9000 different stocks and bonds in it, everyone of them being professionally managed. It follows the 'don't put all your eggs in one basket' theory. Your spreading out the risk among many well performing stock and bond positions, so that if some do poorly, the rest pick up the slack and you profit regardless. It's the key to profiting in the stock market. Life insurance companies profit off of your life and death from the same principal.
Risk Tolerance:
Risk tolerance is the most important part of a mutual fund and I will give an example. I have a JP Morgan India Select Fund (JIDSX is the quote). That means it's invested in overseas companies in India. In 4 weeks the fund gained 13.08 % growth, which is pretty crazy. But, I as an investor need to understand that since this is a high risk investment, because it's overseas, it could go down just as much. A mutual fund will go up and down all the time over the course of a year. This is normal. The key point to understand is that after a year of ups and downs, did it do more ups than downs? In this case, mutual funds tend to gain and lose so much so, that to a point where it GAINS more than it loses, so that it yields a larger % of growth at the end of the year than a CD, making mutual funds an excellent way to invest.
For the faint of heart, some mutual funds are more conservative and are less crazy. You gain less yield (only 6% to 7%), but it's safer and stable. It will generally always yield that type of gain year after year, where as the risky investments could gain 35% one year and lose 15% the following year. That may sound bad, but if you think about 35% - 15% is still 20% in total gain over a two year period, which is still better than a damn C.D. All in all I find higher risk investments with a long term horizon to have the best returns, just be smart enough to buy good performing funds and put your money in healthy market sectors. Putting money in a risky market sector that isn't performing well is just asking to lose money. That's why most mutual fund owners are conservative, because it yields more than a CD and is more stable. I prefer to follow the market and have my money in excellent market sectors with high potential, while at the same time being professionally managed. Yea, it's risky, but it's an educated risk.
Note to Crush: Enquire about mutual funds. Dunno if your bank does that, but there are lot of reputable investment companies. General rule of thumb, young people focus on GROWTH in their mutual fund portfolio, due to our young age and ability to endure the ups and downs in the market. All in all, growth yields higher returns in a long term setting.