a while ago when i had a lvl 3 pb combo s/d on i noticed that meteor cudgel was stronger than bkb at first i thought i was seeing things or that maybee it had something to do with the amount of grinds bkb was but wasnt sure so recently i was bored and did some testing after maxing my hunes atp.
first i gathered some dbl sabers and calculated how much atp they each give
meteor cudgel-590 atp
double cannon-650 atp
BKB-760 atp
Demo comet-580 atp
Srank Twin-550 atp
next i casted lvl 20 shifta on myself then caculated how much of an atp boost i got with each ,all of the were pretty close except the cudgel
cudgel-516
d.cannon-437 <-with just lvl 20 shifta the cudgel is stronger than d.cannon
BKB-430
Demo comet-426
srank Twin-426
at this point my curiosity peaked so i loaded up offline multi and had my fomarl cast lvl 30 shifta and did the same calculation
cudgel-711!
D.cannon-601 <--wtf a little over 100 atp difference!
BKB-592
demo comet-597
srank twin-587
this has me curious if any armors or sheilds have special powers like the cudgel
im really curious what kind of boost a cudgel would get with a lvl 4 pb combo

Very cool and interesting! Makes all those BKB and Double Cannon fools look even stupider now eh?

I love science.

Hmmmm... that is down-right freaky yet fascinating. Aside from double sabers, I'm sure a few other weapons have this effect.

Hmm, a stupid fool huh, atp isn't the only thing that makes a weapon good.

yea well its relatively easy to obtain a legit meteor cudgel as opposed to a double cannon or bkb

Just ask any whitill after making several trips through ult ruins.

I have a legit Cudgel that gets no use...but now, Think i might bust it out thanks for the info Alisha.

Did you find that cudgel yourself? If so then I don't know what to say, except that the ice spikes on the end of the cudgel just don't look right. It looks like it was dumped in a vat of hobo soaked water, then thrown in the fridge for a few hours. Hobo power = Superior ATP boost. Proof of Hobo Dignity.

BTW Hits mechs are cheaper then double sabers.

I'm not entirely sure but i think it's because Shifta boosts the unground figure moreso than the ground figure... I'm not entirely sure as i thght Double cannon's went less than Meteor Cudgel, so therefore it should go higher with S&D.... I dunno tho i reckon it's somethign to with with grindage, as you said you thought so too.

im pretty sure it has nothing to do with grinds now or else cudgel wouldnt be stronger than double cannon with just lvl 20 shifta

Also, like I made mention last night....the Huge Battle Fan gets an unusual ATP boost from Shifta, while the other (412) weapons don't. Weird, neh??

Amen on that comment about finding legit MKB/Double Cannon....I'm still looking for both, myself. Stupid Blue-Black Stone's been rotting in my bank since March!! :

Then again, I've had an unusual luck streak for Cudgels in Boze....three in three consecutive rooms along with a Spread Needle during that one run through Ruins, lol.

Wish I could transfer that luck into something like Lavis or Red Sword, heh.


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--Steppin' out.

Could it be that your Section ID gives the Cudgel the boost, but someone else's wouldn't?