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Henge
the meeting has been put on hold.
Kari
Oh the excitement, it burns in my little skull <3

-Ferra
drunken_chibi
your local crag? ie. sandorians go to holla, assrockers to dem, etc?
Dorian
So what's th plan? YOu make me and Bryn get everone to the same crag? I see how it is. I'M JUST A SLAVE!
Kari
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Cannot be replicated, re-established in any other location, or used for any sort of profit without written consent from Astrid.
Astrid
QUOTE (Ferra @ Apr 18 2004, 05:20 PM)
'Dorian' is copyright Astrid, 2004
Cannot be replicated, re-established in any other location, or used for any sort of profit without written consent from Astrid.

Hahaha, Ferra knows the rules.
Afroforce
I won't be there guys, sorry, band trip to California, but if it's this huge, could someone PM me with what happens?
ArekuReiesu
Wow really can't wait for this, it'll be nice to see everyone together in one spot. Hopefully I'll be able to come hehe.
Henge
QUOTE (Camulus @ Apr 18 2004, 03:04 PM)
So what's th plan? YOu make me and Bryn get everone to the same crag? I see how it is. I'M JUST A SLAVE!

well if you want to make everyone unable to quickly get from place to place walk, say so beigelaugh.gif
Nynaeve
LOL! 10pm? Oh dear lord, you forget I'm old and I'm usually beigesleep.gif by 10pm on a Saturday!

This will give me incentive to stay awake then, huh! *grin*
Zio
Figures I miss all the good stuff when I'm NOT able to get on >_<
Riel
Be thankful it's not midnight Nyn hehe,last one was quite late...by the way i'm retired from FF now,so hope you guys have a great time. buttrock.gif
DarkEpyon
QUOTE (Nynaeve @ Apr 19 2004, 07:58 AM)
LOL!  10pm?  Oh dear lord, you forget I'm old and I'm usually  beigesleep.gif  by 10pm on a Saturday! 

This will give me incentive to stay awake then, huh!  *grin*


It's this blessed thing called caffeine, my friend. It's what helped many of us stay up and play PSO so late. As for me, I've been on RO again for the past two weeks and my FFXI ID has been deactivated. Squeenix double-charged me the last time I reactivated it after 2 months' absense.
AC9breaker
Aww man I wont be able to make it. If you guys end up staying after 1pm est time maybe I could meet up with you guys. I could try to get someone to cover for me at work but I highly doubt that I can make it. Btw for those who dont know Im Breaker the thieving Galka.
DivA
~pst? =/

*shakes head* hmmm, most unfortunate - this upcoming weekend (april 23rd - 25th) i'll be at the new living expo at SF & on the 24th at 7:00 pm will be the science & art of homeopathy seminar; this is something that i cannot pass up...i'll be sure to join the next official campaign, but since this expo happens once a year ~ it will prove fruitful if i be there to learn keys in self-cleansing.. beigesmile.gif
Crushinator
How convenient that these self cleansing seminars follow April 20th? beigelaugh.gif

Anyways, I will certainly be in attendance of this meeting.
Sheik
mm....I will see if I can make this one since I miss every other FFXI meeting...><.
Shame on me!

My interest in FFXI has been less than expected lately.

Most of my free time is spent at school now with homework and such.

When I get a chance I am usually on PSO...playing challenge...or talking with PSO friends...go figure!

The most that I completed is up to challenge C2C2 lately and only because a friend invited me that I had not played with in a long time.

I just played "follow the leader" which I have not done in forever in challenge!

Kinda fun actually and not so difficult. Did not die a single time. Boss is a little lengthy to complete...just be sure not to get near it when it stomps down...insta-kill.

Okay, nice to talk to everyone again and see ya on Saturday night!
oyasumi!
おやすみ~♪ at-emote1.gif
--Sheik
Dive
News updated. Please review it and make an effort to make it saturday.
Zio
I'm going to try my hardest to make this meeting even though I don't have access to my computer but I might be able to get on...Not promising anything so I may or may not be there.
DivA
QUOTE (Crushinator @ Apr 19 2004, 09:19 PM)
How convenient that these self cleansing seminars follow April 20th? beigelaugh.gif

*reflects* there are times where i do not understand your thinking, mr. Crush.. =. though you may find humor in my words, there is always reason for everything that i do; health is very important to your's truly & i do not acknowledge Doctors (12:60) as competent healers...therefore, i take full responsibility for my own state of health & do whatever i can to fully understand the root cause of illness & what i can do to truly heal a vast array of ailments by my own hand..

to heal, i must first learn how..

this is a sphere of study that i dedicate to seriously for a numbers of years now; so once again, my apologies for not attending the gathering this time around ~ but i've explained myself enough, & have no need to do so further.. *turns to Dive & Woe..* i've read the news updates, may blessings guide the guild toward the goals you seek, i'll be there in spirit; to all members of athq.. remember to keep this in mind..

consider - what must a collective do to attain perfect trust? far easier said than done, but know that the rewards justify faith in the practice taken to achieve this state of consciousness (some would even say ~ enlightenment..). at-emote1.gif
Adiamas
Iam sorry i dont think I can make it to the meeting. I would not get back in tiem for it. What are my options? heh.
hamstar
I will do what I can to be there.
My friend is in from San Fran for the weekend, but if this is a matter of much importantce then I can log on for a bit. I just need to know where and when in advance.

-Alex
hamstar
perhaps the new linksack formed by Felys and Nevah. TheGS could be involved in Pearl alliance as well? I'm sure they would be interested in forming it.

Are merging in theirs or is a new shell being born?

-Alex akak hamtaru
AC9breaker
Woot! Im gonna be able to make it. I got someone to cover for me. one thing though... SInce Im still the noob here, I havent been anywhere outside of the little bastok wasp infected area. Therefore Im most likely to get loss or pwned by some rock lizard like last night x.x

So if someone could hold my hand to the camping ground that would be cool. Im still trying to get the hand on what all the dam buttons do. I just learned yesterday how to talk to the whole linkshell at once lol. *5points for me*
Kazicht
Hmm. Sounds like quite a feet to get this transition.. hope it all goes as smoothly as possible.

Also have you guys decided on a color for the pearle yet? Or perhaps that purple text may have answered my question, Hehe.

Anyway, I'll be there. mog.gif
drunken_chibi
no disrespect meant when i say this, but what if some of us don't want to become "soul survivors"? i like the name "apocalypse cow" and think we should keep it. wouldn't it be easier to just restrict recruiting policy and take away sack holder rights than to scrub it all, lose a great LS name (that actually reflects who we are AT+GC -- for the most part), and invite all kinds of confusion. as to the arguing, it doesn't happen often enough to merit such drastic actions. in order to cut it out entirely you'd also have to cut down all the useless prattle on the /linkshell channel as well. much of the arguing (from what i've seen and personally been involved with) comes from people voicing opinions over a public channel. you cannot allow one person to express an opinion without allowing another to express his/her own. therefore arguing in its basest form will always exist on any linkshell regardless of color or name, unless we are all censored. if that is the direction the linkshell is moving in, i'm sorry to say, but i'm not interested.

long live the cows.
Azrael
We should at least change the LS color if everyone isn't in approval of the new plan. I'm in support of whatever Woe and Dive decide on and I think that someone had to have had an argument on the linkshell recently to contirbute to the no arguing rule that was decided on. This may be to curb negativity on the linkshell as well. I know some people may not be in the best of moods after a long tiring day of work and to come on FFXI and see people in the linkshell bickering may make feelings worse.
drunken_chibi
yeah, but who are the "leaders"? if the shell is supposedly a combination of AT, GC, VM, etc, who calls the shots, the leaders of each of the prospective forums? and the color is really the least of concerns.
Dorian
QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 20 2004, 01:06 PM)
no disrespect meant when i say this, but what if some of us don't want to become "soul survivors"? i like the name "apocalypse cow" and think we should keep it. wouldn't it be easier to just restrict recruiting policy and take away sack holder rights than to scrub it all, lose a great LS name (that actually reflects who we are AT+GC -- for the most part), and invite all kinds of confusion.  as to the arguing, it doesn't happen often enough to merit such drastic actions. in order to cut it out entirely you'd also have to cut down all the useless prattle on the /linkshell channel as well. much of the arguing (from what i've seen and personally been involved with) comes from people voicing opinions over a public channel. you cannot allow one person to express an opinion without allowing another to express his/her own. therefore arguing in  its basest form will always exist on any linkshell regardless of color or name, unless we are all censored. if that is the direction the linkshell is moving in, i'm sorry to say, but i'm not interested.

long live the cows.

What they mean by argueing is not people dissagreing with eachother. They mean the whole thinsg where people fight like children and act very very immaturly towards eachother. And the LS does need a new name. I love AT and all, Hail the Apocalypse. But we are not only AT and Cow anymore, so we gatta scrap it.
Azrael
.*Edit* Changed "leaders" to Woe and Dirge on above post. It seems like they are usually the ones that make the decisions regarding the meetings and whatnot and and that's why I called them the leaders. What I said probably came from me only really being active here at the Apocalypse Tribe.
drunken_chibi
i guess that's it for me then. well .. who knows.. i'll go to the meeting, but i highly doubt i'll be switching over. eh, maybe it's the booze talking...
proj
Seriously what's the big deal? Oviously this has been thought out. It's not like it's a democracy we're not changing countries or affiliations or absorbing a bunch of other linkshells. We're still talking about the same people with a new cool name and cool new linkshell color. This change will be a good catalyst for the linkshell moving foward.

Nobody is being left behind. I have been a part of gaming clans since the mid nineties and I think that changing names and what not is fun! It gives you history and perspective. You don't lose your identity, you build your bonds stronger by changing together.

I like that there are no hard and fast rules besides the obvious. Respect others and the community by not bickering in public.

I know I'm new and what not but I have a lot of respect already for everyone here and look foward to the change.
The JadeDragon
I gotta agree with Chibi about the arguing aspect. Everyone is human and there are just gonna be days when something negative might come out on the LS. Now if we have a certain person involved in most of the beef, then I think it's time for something to be done. I mean, what if Dive or Woe get into with someone, do the same rules apply to them? I think keeping the arguing to a minimum is important, but it's not life or death. I think there are a few more important matters that could be aired out before we worry this much about arguing.

I also think this is a lot of work just to change the LS name. We could do everything mentioned of the front page with the LS we have now, cept for the actual name change. But ehh that's just my two gil. In the end, as long as this dosen't become a dictatorship...I'm down for whatever...

EDIT...wow, I have a problem with this...

QUOTE
It's not like it's a democracy


I was under the impression that even though I am not a actual AT "clan" member I still had some sort of input. If this has been a dictatorship in disguise all along, I may go the route with Chibi. Whoa...that's really not what I wanted to see...
Dorian
QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 05:30 PM)
I gotta agree with Chibi about the arguing aspect. Everyone is human and there are just gonna be days when something negative might come out on the LS. Now if we have a certain person involved in most of the beef, then I think it's time for something to be done. I mean, what if Dive or Woe get into with someone, do the same rules apply to them? I think keeping the arguing to a minimum is important, but it's not life or death. I think there are a few more important matters that could be aired out before we worry this much about arguing.

I also think this is a lot of work just to change the LS name. We could do everything mentioned of the front page with the LS we have now, cept for the actual name change. But ehh that's just my two gil. In the end, as long as this dosen't become a dictatorship...I'm down for whatever...

Jade is sexy.. and right.. I in no way think this should apply to say if I were to log on and be in a pissed off mood. Sometimes people are just genually pissed off. But something does need to be done about the few who bicker and complain all the time. It's a mood killer. We could make it all matter on the severety of the arguement. For example. If I say DRK sucks and Woe disagrees. no biggie. But if i call Woe a asshole, that can result in a broken pearl.

And yes, these rules do apply to those who are higher up.

If they don't, then my idea of what AT is has been completely wrong.
The JadeDragon
I also think that our new arguing policy could be faulty because what if like I come online and say hi to everyone, then Tan says..."Jade your ugly", and I say yeah Fuck you too. Now he and I know we are just playing around but there are a lot of LS members that don't know me(or him) very well and might think we are having a fight. This could affect me a lot because I always speak my mind and just let the shit fly when I'm having fun. Ehh, I'm getting more and more down as the day goes by...lol
HC82
I don't think a "No arguing policy" is needed, people just need to understand why they don't need to argue.

Look, I'll be straight up. If you as a person are too self absorbed, then your totally NOT getting the idea of the culture of the AT community. It's about helping each other out, not because you have to be, but because you want to.

Everyone is supposed to have each others back. So what if you don't get the item? People are 'supposed' to be there to make sure everyone gets their fair share at one point or another. If people put in the time to get something for someone else other then themselves, everyone needs to put in the time to get that something for those who were left out. If your only thinking about yourself, your not getting the flow of what the AT is about, or how a good mmorpg guild works.

Many of the members put themselves second and everyone else first. If people do that for you, then you gotta realize why you should do the same.
proj
Maybe I should have clarified "It's not a democracy" comment as it's not very clear what I mean.

I'm really not trying to raise stink just saying how I feel on the matter and try to put at ease some of the concerns I hear as I have been through something like this a few times before.

I have been in 'clans' where it was a literal democracy, there was a leadership vote, and votes on everything. It was craziness and way over done. People get together as a bunch of friends and start to turn the thing into some kind of pseudo online government when it doesn't need to be anything of the sort.

Here you have a group of friends who respect each other and want to have fun and not let things break down into bickering. You obviously have a few leaders but we're not talking about full scale government here. Woe isn't going to start taxing you to come on the next rank mission ;D

If I think something is messed up I just say 'hey what's up with this'? If I want to change linkshells I do so. To sum up, the linkshell is a collection of people doing how they please (hopefully helping each other) in a friendly connected environment. Say Woe starts drinking stalin soda and comes down on everyone with his hammer and scythe, so what? People leave? The group is defined by it's members the shell and sack holders really have no control over anyone in the group other than by kicking you out if violate group policies. So the linkshell is intrisically defined by it's members and their behaviour.

Now not to get too offtrack here from the original discussion. The purpose of the name/color change seems to be:

Defining a new combined identity that better represents what the linkshell on bimarck has become.
In the process of doing this setting out a very simple charter to ensure good communication.
Get a new color and usher in a new era for the FFXI server residents.

Now since I've been so pro-change and going along with it let me try to play my own devil's-advocate.

If it ain't broke, why try to fix it? The linkshell seems to get along really well.
History, heritage and reputation could be lost as the linkshell has already been building a good reputation for itself.
While plenty of people will go along for the change is it really worth it if it leaves some other's feeling alienated who don't accept the change well.


FlyRobinFly
QUOTE (HC82 @ Apr 20 2004, 05:19 PM)
I don't think a "No arguing policy" is needed, people just need to understand why they don't need to argue.

Look, I'll be straight up. If you as a person are too self absorbed, then your totally NOT getting the idea of the culture of the AT community.

I completely agree. Rules or no rules, the quality of this community will inevitably be the product of its members and their actions; drawing up a book of laws (yes, I know it's not that extreme at the moment) undermines this in my opinion. Who's to say that nothing productive can come out of an argument, or that it's not valuable for the community as a whole to help mediate a problem that erupts between two users? Personally I can't recall any incidents that have diminished my experience in this community, and I wouldn't expect to given what an awesome group of people you all are.

The linkshell is primarily populated by seasoned AT'ers, and I recognize that I'm a guest in this community - I'm grateful to have been invited along for the ride. I do wish we all had more of a say in at least the naming of the new linkshell though, as it's been conceived, created, and will be operated exclusively by AT folks it seems. I'm cool with that seeing how you've done such a fantastic job so far, but there are some aspects of AT culture (ranking users into castes and such) that I wouldn't want to see migrate into the LS. I deal with enough hierarchy at work; when I get home I just want to have a good time and do my part to make sure others do the same and succeed in their goals.

That's it for me. I'm a sentimental type and I'll really miss the glorious green, but if a new LS will better represent us then I'm for it.
Omar
omg if you guys change the name and color of linkshell.. oh man will you not want to feel my rath!!



*sarcasm+99*
The JadeDragon
QUOTE
we're are just trying to do something cool and new for the LS, and bring everyone closer togeather at the same time...

if you all want things to stay the way they are now, who am I to argue.


Personally, I don't have a big problem with the name or color change...it's this arguing rule that might need just a tad bit of adjustment.


QUOTE
oh man will you not want to feel my rath!!


Omar...it's wrath you moron...lol
Dorian
Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we have casts and what not, but everyone here is equal, Just some of the other people like Dark Templar are mods, and Arbter are people who can edit the forums, don't think of it as people having power over you, cause no one here has power over anyone.
The JadeDragon
QUOTE
Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we have casts and what not, but everyone here is equal, Just some of the other people like Dark Templar are mods, and Arbter are people who can edit the forums, don't think of it as people having power over you, cause no one here has power over anyone.


I disagree somewhat. I don't feel like anyone has power over me, but I also don't feel us non "clan" members are equals to the actual "clan" members. Like Robyn I am very grateful for being allowed to be a guest here, but that dosen't mean we feel like your equals. That could just be my feelings as I can't speak for other guests.

BTW...that's one amazing run on sentence Cam lol...
Sheik
QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 02:30 PM)
Now if we have a certain person involved in most of the beef, then I think it's time for something to be done. I mean, what if Dive or Woe get into with someone, do the same rules apply to them?

I trust the decisions made here and these members (along with some others) formed the now known "AT" tribe. AT was once a small group of known friends before it had grown (some for the better, and some for the worse). I do not think this argument (or even hint at) should have ever come up.....*sigh*

I fully trust the decisions of the higher caste. I believe everyone that is part of the community should as well. AT is not a democracy...but I (I believe) very open to ideas and new thoughts.

Although I am not one to give my opinion or thoughts often, they are not ignored as I believe we are "open minded" here.

EDIT: AT does have a caste system and that is one things I believe makes us unique. Castes are earned and recognized by the members, not given~~

Higher caste have been part of our tribe for longer and the decisions and thoughs are trusted by the others.
Omar
QUOTE
Omar...it's wrath you moron...lol


lmao.. oops.. oh well the point was that nobody should give a fuck... its just a little change.. everyone gonna get in the ls.. and eventually the sack holder will get tired of breaking shells.. and having apology topics every three minutes...

guys.. its gonna be the same way it always was.. plain and simple.. its to big now to change it that much.. without arguments... how would you pick your president? without arguements how would peopel be able to defend themselves... its apart of our culture...

it may need to be toned down.. but it will be to ridiculus if becuase just one little 5 min fight they will have their ls broken....

Dorian
QUOTE
BTW...that's one amazing run on sentence Cam lol...



Jade..... I love you so much
The JadeDragon
QUOTE
I trust the decisions made here and these members (along with some others) formed the now known "AT" tribe. AT was once a small group of known friends before it had grown (some for the better, and some for the worse). I do not think this argument (or even hint at) should have ever come up.....*sigh*


I know how AT came around, and I never "hinted" at anything. Trust me, when I want to "hint" at something, you will know, because I will come out and say it.


QUOTE
AT is not a democracy


Well it may be time for me to leave. I fully understand who runs things here and I will never challenge them, but if this is in no way at all a democracy...I want no part of it.
Sheik
QUOTE (Omar @ Apr 20 2004, 04:38 PM)
QUOTE
Omar...it's wrath you moron...lol


lmao.. oops.. oh well the point was that nobody should give a fuck... its just a little change.. everyone gonna get in the ls.. and eventually the sack holder will get tired of breaking shells.. and having apology topics every three minutes...

guys.. its gonna be the same way it always was.. plain and simple.. its to big now to change it that much.. without arguments... how would you pick your president? without arguements how would peopel be able to defend themselves... its apart of our culture...

it may need to be toned down.. but it will be to ridiculus if becuase just one little 5 min fight they will have their ls broken....

May I add in that it is JUST a game...and to have fun.
This thread does not look like we are having fun be verbally (and using obsenities) to "bash" ideas and thought brought by other members...

I believe the rule is simple...just use common sense and be kind to one another...then none of this has to be worried about!

I hope we (AT) does not have to resort to written rules to govern our enjoyment of the game. *sigh*

We never needed writted rules before...why do we need them now?

I say this very strait forward (no offense):
If we need written rules then maybe those that need the rules to follow should reconsider why they decided to join us.

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Mute
WHOA! Calm down guys. This thread was just a news thread. I think the context may have been take a bit far. Remember, we're all friends here. No need to go for eachother's throats now.

*does the shame shame finger gesture thing*
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EDIT: Tis a shame Dive has to come home to this after a long days work. :(
Retehi
*Passes around chill pills*

Chill peeps, this kind of stuff shouldn't be happening here. Simple as that.

Even if I don't play this damn game. beigelaugh.gif
Astrid
QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 20 2004, 12:06 PM)
therefore arguing in its basest form will always exist on any linkshell regardless of color or name, unless we are all censored.

I think they mean immature name-calling. At least, I hope that's what they mean. If not, then I side with you, Chibi. However, I trust that they respect our opinions enough to hear them, but only mean to avoid immature attacks like, "yeah, well if you think so, you're an idiotic bitch!"
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