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post Apr 18 2004, 12:31 PM
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the meeting has been put on hold.
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post Apr 20 2004, 05:42 PM
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Maybe I should have clarified "It's not a democracy" comment as it's not very clear what I mean.

I'm really not trying to raise stink just saying how I feel on the matter and try to put at ease some of the concerns I hear as I have been through something like this a few times before.

I have been in 'clans' where it was a literal democracy, there was a leadership vote, and votes on everything. It was craziness and way over done. People get together as a bunch of friends and start to turn the thing into some kind of pseudo online government when it doesn't need to be anything of the sort.

Here you have a group of friends who respect each other and want to have fun and not let things break down into bickering. You obviously have a few leaders but we're not talking about full scale government here. Woe isn't going to start taxing you to come on the next rank mission ;D

If I think something is messed up I just say 'hey what's up with this'? If I want to change linkshells I do so. To sum up, the linkshell is a collection of people doing how they please (hopefully helping each other) in a friendly connected environment. Say Woe starts drinking stalin soda and comes down on everyone with his hammer and scythe, so what? People leave? The group is defined by it's members the shell and sack holders really have no control over anyone in the group other than by kicking you out if violate group policies. So the linkshell is intrisically defined by it's members and their behaviour.

Now not to get too offtrack here from the original discussion. The purpose of the name/color change seems to be:

Defining a new combined identity that better represents what the linkshell on bimarck has become.
In the process of doing this setting out a very simple charter to ensure good communication.
Get a new color and usher in a new era for the FFXI server residents.

Now since I've been so pro-change and going along with it let me try to play my own devil's-advocate.

If it ain't broke, why try to fix it? The linkshell seems to get along really well.
History, heritage and reputation could be lost as the linkshell has already been building a good reputation for itself.
While plenty of people will go along for the change is it really worth it if it leaves some other's feeling alienated who don't accept the change well.


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Woe   FFXI Meeting 4/24/04   Apr 18 2004, 12:31 PM
Ferra   Oh the excitement, it burns in my little skull ...   Apr 18 2004, 01:13 PM
drunken_chibi   your local crag? ie. sandorians go to holla, assro...   Apr 18 2004, 01:46 PM
Dorian   So what's th plan? YOu make me and Bryn get ev...   Apr 18 2004, 03:04 PM
Ferra   'Dorian' is copyright Astrid, 2004 Cannot ...   Apr 18 2004, 05:20 PM
Astrid   QUOTE (Ferra @ Apr 18 2004, 05:20 PM) 'Dorian...   Apr 18 2004, 05:39 PM
Afroforce   I won't be there guys, sorry, band trip to Cal...   Apr 18 2004, 08:44 PM
ArekuReiesu   Wow really can't wait for this, it'll be n...   Apr 19 2004, 01:06 AM
Woe   QUOTE (Camulus @ Apr 18 2004, 03:04 PM) So what...   Apr 19 2004, 03:08 AM
Nynaeve   LOL! 10pm? Oh dear lord, you forget I'm ...   Apr 19 2004, 06:58 AM
Zio   Figures I miss all the good stuff when I'm NOT...   Apr 19 2004, 07:45 AM
Riel   Be thankful it's not midnight Nyn hehe,last on...   Apr 19 2004, 07:46 AM
DarkEpyon   QUOTE (Nynaeve @ Apr 19 2004, 07:58 AM) LOL...   Apr 19 2004, 10:21 AM
AC9breaker   Aww man I wont be able to make it. If you guys en...   Apr 19 2004, 10:26 AM
DivA   ~pst? =/ *shakes head* hmmm, most unfortunate - t...   Apr 19 2004, 05:42 PM
Crushinator   How convenient that these self cleansing seminars ...   Apr 19 2004, 09:19 PM
Sheik   mm....I will see if I can make this one since I mi...   Apr 20 2004, 01:06 AM
Dive   News updated. Please review it and make an effort...   Apr 20 2004, 04:54 AM
Zio   I'm going to try my hardest to make this meeti...   Apr 20 2004, 07:43 AM
DivA   QUOTE (Crushinator @ Apr 19 2004, 09:19 PM)Ho...   Apr 20 2004, 08:49 AM
Adiamas   Iam sorry i dont think I can make it to the meetin...   Apr 20 2004, 09:02 AM
hamstar   I will do what I can to be there. My friend is in ...   Apr 20 2004, 09:16 AM
hamstar   perhaps the new linksack formed by Felys and Nevah...   Apr 20 2004, 09:23 AM
AC9breaker   Woot! Im gonna be able to make it. I got som...   Apr 20 2004, 10:39 AM
Kazicht   Hmm. Sounds like quite a feet to get this transiti...   Apr 20 2004, 10:47 AM
drunken_chibi   no disrespect meant when i say this, but what if s...   Apr 20 2004, 12:06 PM
Azrael   We should at least change the LS color if everyone...   Apr 20 2004, 02:28 PM
drunken_chibi   yeah, but who are the "leaders"? if the ...   Apr 20 2004, 02:37 PM
Dorian   QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 20 2004, 01:06 PM)...   Apr 20 2004, 03:34 PM
Azrael   .*Edit* Changed "leaders" to Woe and Dir...   Apr 20 2004, 03:53 PM
drunken_chibi   i guess that's it for me then. well .. who kno...   Apr 20 2004, 04:12 PM
proj   Seriously what's the big deal? Oviously this h...   Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM
The JadeDragon   I gotta agree with Chibi about the arguing aspect....   Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM
Dorian   QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 05:30 PM...   Apr 20 2004, 04:37 PM
The JadeDragon   I also think that our new arguing policy could be ...   Apr 20 2004, 04:50 PM
HC82   I don't think a "No arguing policy" ...   Apr 20 2004, 05:19 PM
proj   Maybe I should have clarified "It's not a...   Apr 20 2004, 05:42 PM
FlyRobinFly   QUOTE (HC82 @ Apr 20 2004, 05:19 PM)I don...   Apr 20 2004, 06:17 PM
Omar   omg if you guys change the name and color of links...   Apr 20 2004, 06:18 PM
The JadeDragon   QUOTE we're are just trying to do something co...   Apr 20 2004, 06:26 PM
Dorian   Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we have ...   Apr 20 2004, 06:28 PM
The JadeDragon   QUOTE Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we...   Apr 20 2004, 06:36 PM
Sheik   QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 02:30 PM...   Apr 20 2004, 06:37 PM
Omar   QUOTE Omar...it's wrath you moron...lol lmao...   Apr 20 2004, 06:38 PM
Dorian   QUOTE BTW...that's one amazing run on sentence...   Apr 20 2004, 06:41 PM
The JadeDragon   QUOTE I trust the decisions made here and these me...   Apr 20 2004, 06:43 PM
Sheik   QUOTE (Omar @ Apr 20 2004, 04:38 PM) QUOTE Omar......   Apr 20 2004, 06:44 PM
Mute   WHOA! Calm down guys. This thread was just a n...   Apr 20 2004, 06:47 PM
Sgt. Retehi   *Passes around chill pills* Chill peeps, this kin...   Apr 20 2004, 06:48 PM
Astrid   QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 20 2004, 12:06 PM) ther...   Apr 20 2004, 06:50 PM
Omar   People are misunderstanding the concept of "A...   Apr 20 2004, 06:50 PM
Astrid   QUOTE (proj @ Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM) Seriousl...   Apr 20 2004, 06:55 PM
Rogue   There's a difference between a civil argument ...   Apr 20 2004, 06:56 PM
Astrid   QUOTE (proj @ Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM) Seriousl...   Apr 20 2004, 06:56 PM
The JadeDragon   QUOTE Why not? Dive and Woe didn't pick the na...   Apr 20 2004, 07:04 PM
Madgeiser   QUOTE (Zorya @ Apr 20 2004, 07:05 PM) There are pe...   Apr 20 2004, 07:40 PM
Dive   ok I admit we made a huge mistake in not informing...   Apr 20 2004, 07:47 PM
Omar   woot nice post... i still dont see what the huge p...   Apr 20 2004, 07:54 PM
Woe   dirge, thank you for saying something.... i feel e...   Apr 20 2004, 07:57 PM
Dive   AIM chatroom in progress. Turn on your AIM client...   Apr 20 2004, 08:02 PM
Bantam13   QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 20 2004, 07:47 PM)And belie...   Apr 20 2004, 08:05 PM
HC82   QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 07:04 PM...   Apr 20 2004, 08:05 PM
Azrael   I didn't think referring to someone as being a...   Apr 20 2004, 08:33 PM
drunken_chibi   haha.. look at what i started. like i said, i...   Apr 20 2004, 08:39 PM
Dive   Come to the AIM meeting everyone. message darksid...   Apr 20 2004, 08:47 PM
Dive   Feel free to add your opinions to this matter, but...   Apr 20 2004, 11:04 PM
Zorya   QUOTE (Woe @ Apr 20 2004, 07:57 PM) Zorya and...   Apr 21 2004, 07:16 AM
Ikari   I was online so I couldn't participate in the ...   Apr 21 2004, 09:38 AM
Kazicht   Kitsume, your as much part of AC as I am, and I...   Apr 21 2004, 09:48 AM
Nynaeve   QUOTE (Ikari @ Apr 21 2004, 09:38 AM) I apologize ...   Apr 21 2004, 09:52 AM
Khaotika   QUOTE (Dorian @ Apr 20 2004, 05:37 PM) Sometimes p...   Apr 21 2004, 10:17 AM
Dive   QUOTE (Nynaeve @ Apr 21 2004, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (Ika...   Apr 21 2004, 01:49 PM
Dive   QUOTE (Zorya @ Apr 21 2004, 07:16 AM) QUOTE (Woe ...   Apr 21 2004, 01:50 PM
Nynaeve   QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 21 2004, 01:49 PM) Of course it ...   Apr 21 2004, 01:59 PM
Ferra   So, who's up for some fun then? Meet me in the...   Apr 21 2004, 02:01 PM
drunken_chibi   as per the AIM chat last night, the meeting is sti...   Apr 21 2004, 02:16 PM
Dive   QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 21 2004, 02:16 PM)...   Apr 21 2004, 02:40 PM
The JadeDragon   This is what I think about the whole thing. We a...   Apr 21 2004, 03:43 PM
Dive   QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 21 2004, 03:43 PM) Wha...   Apr 21 2004, 04:34 PM
The JadeDragon   Well, I'm wrong...so shoot me...just trying to...   Apr 21 2004, 04:37 PM
Ikari   Oh FYI, I am usually available on AIM if something...   Apr 21 2004, 06:29 PM
drunken_chibi   QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 21 2004, 03:40 PM) Wrong. Here ...   Apr 21 2004, 07:14 PM
Horosha Onikage   Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this ...   Apr 21 2004, 09:17 PM
Knightsword   I sadly won't be able to attend the meeting, d...   Apr 23 2004, 06:53 PM
The JadeDragon   I gotta admit with all the drama that's been g...   Apr 24 2004, 02:08 AM
Layrinn   I'm sorry, I won't be in attendance. I ho...   Apr 24 2004, 02:36 AM
Dive   I will not be able to make it to the meeting. Som...   Apr 24 2004, 02:59 AM
Azrael   It's sad that so many people are still thinkin...   Apr 24 2004, 08:41 AM
Bryn   My apologies to those that would miss my presence,...   Apr 24 2004, 11:23 AM
Azrael   I want to know who is coming. Seems like everyone ...   Apr 24 2004, 12:26 PM
The JadeDragon   With so many people not coming, is there even a re...   Apr 24 2004, 01:56 PM
Woe   Meeting canceled, for now...   Apr 24 2004, 03:22 PM


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