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post Apr 18 2004, 12:31 PM
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the meeting has been put on hold.
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HC82
post Apr 20 2004, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 07:04 PM)
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Why not? Dive and Woe didn't pick the name out without consulting the rest of us. In fact, we even voted on the names. I do think that we should have probably consulted the entire linkshell, but they by no means have all the power.


From what I understand, the LS and the AT "clan" are two seperate things. So if this move to a new LS is to embrace ALL of the sites/groups/etc we are all from, why did only a select few get to vote? It seems that the AT "clan" is taking over the LS and the rest of us mean dick. I'm not mad at anyone, but this really pisses me off. If I have no say in anything concerning the LS, why the fuck should I be in the LS? I love you all for the things you have all done to help me...but this is stupid. I was lied to and made to believe that in the LS we were all equal. This seems to not be the case... beigeconfused.gif

OK, about the democracy thing.

Feelings aren't always fact and let's all look at this logically. First off all, we talked about this whole democracy thing before, before Jade Dragon signed up here on the forums. We always take into consideration everyones opinions. If we miss someone, it's not intentional. Don't feel like your being jipped here.

Need proof?

You see my rank? Paragon. You see the little "number joined?" Yes, it says number 4. Guess what? I didn't give in any input about the name of the new linkshell or the idea of the new linkshell. So, the associates aren't being purposely left out here, because if they are, so are the paragons.

Why am I not mad? Because, it's not intentional. If I have something to bring up, I bring it up. It's the character, logic, and persuassion of the individual that determines a logical choice in these matters. If your two cents got missed out, SO did mine and it wasn't intentional.

AC is not all AT, so everyone has a say in this.

No one is trying to forcefully butt out someone elses opinions. Everyone had a valid point. Some points:

A) It's not a big deal. Name means nothing to me right now. It's about the content of the guild when you think about it, not the name. I don't care if the name is left the same or changed, it's about the PEOPLE. (This is my personal opinion).

B) The union of AT and AC is the foundation for the LS. Removing the LS is like removing what all this was built on. Some peeps feel left out on this choice or feel it's not needed. If anything, something that represents everyone and the AT/AC is in order.

C) We need something totally new to represent a unity between all the old and new. Something to bring us all closer together.

The way I see it. If the name Apocalypse Cow TRULY bothers some people on this forum, then we can come to some sort of new name that everyone will like. If the name doesn't bug anyone, leave it be and we can just focus more on a guild ethic then just a new name. A name means nothing without the power behind it.
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Woe   FFXI Meeting 4/24/04   Apr 18 2004, 12:31 PM
Ferra   Oh the excitement, it burns in my little skull ...   Apr 18 2004, 01:13 PM
drunken_chibi   your local crag? ie. sandorians go to holla, assro...   Apr 18 2004, 01:46 PM
Dorian   So what's th plan? YOu make me and Bryn get ev...   Apr 18 2004, 03:04 PM
Ferra   'Dorian' is copyright Astrid, 2004 Cannot ...   Apr 18 2004, 05:20 PM
Astrid   QUOTE (Ferra @ Apr 18 2004, 05:20 PM) 'Dorian...   Apr 18 2004, 05:39 PM
Afroforce   I won't be there guys, sorry, band trip to Cal...   Apr 18 2004, 08:44 PM
ArekuReiesu   Wow really can't wait for this, it'll be n...   Apr 19 2004, 01:06 AM
Woe   QUOTE (Camulus @ Apr 18 2004, 03:04 PM) So what...   Apr 19 2004, 03:08 AM
Nynaeve   LOL! 10pm? Oh dear lord, you forget I'm ...   Apr 19 2004, 06:58 AM
Zio   Figures I miss all the good stuff when I'm NOT...   Apr 19 2004, 07:45 AM
Riel   Be thankful it's not midnight Nyn hehe,last on...   Apr 19 2004, 07:46 AM
DarkEpyon   QUOTE (Nynaeve @ Apr 19 2004, 07:58 AM) LOL...   Apr 19 2004, 10:21 AM
AC9breaker   Aww man I wont be able to make it. If you guys en...   Apr 19 2004, 10:26 AM
DivA   ~pst? =/ *shakes head* hmmm, most unfortunate - t...   Apr 19 2004, 05:42 PM
Crushinator   How convenient that these self cleansing seminars ...   Apr 19 2004, 09:19 PM
Sheik   mm....I will see if I can make this one since I mi...   Apr 20 2004, 01:06 AM
Dive   News updated. Please review it and make an effort...   Apr 20 2004, 04:54 AM
Zio   I'm going to try my hardest to make this meeti...   Apr 20 2004, 07:43 AM
DivA   QUOTE (Crushinator @ Apr 19 2004, 09:19 PM)Ho...   Apr 20 2004, 08:49 AM
Adiamas   Iam sorry i dont think I can make it to the meetin...   Apr 20 2004, 09:02 AM
hamstar   I will do what I can to be there. My friend is in ...   Apr 20 2004, 09:16 AM
hamstar   perhaps the new linksack formed by Felys and Nevah...   Apr 20 2004, 09:23 AM
AC9breaker   Woot! Im gonna be able to make it. I got som...   Apr 20 2004, 10:39 AM
Kazicht   Hmm. Sounds like quite a feet to get this transiti...   Apr 20 2004, 10:47 AM
drunken_chibi   no disrespect meant when i say this, but what if s...   Apr 20 2004, 12:06 PM
Azrael   We should at least change the LS color if everyone...   Apr 20 2004, 02:28 PM
drunken_chibi   yeah, but who are the "leaders"? if the ...   Apr 20 2004, 02:37 PM
Dorian   QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 20 2004, 01:06 PM)...   Apr 20 2004, 03:34 PM
Azrael   .*Edit* Changed "leaders" to Woe and Dir...   Apr 20 2004, 03:53 PM
drunken_chibi   i guess that's it for me then. well .. who kno...   Apr 20 2004, 04:12 PM
proj   Seriously what's the big deal? Oviously this h...   Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM
The JadeDragon   I gotta agree with Chibi about the arguing aspect....   Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM
Dorian   QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 05:30 PM...   Apr 20 2004, 04:37 PM
The JadeDragon   I also think that our new arguing policy could be ...   Apr 20 2004, 04:50 PM
HC82   I don't think a "No arguing policy" ...   Apr 20 2004, 05:19 PM
proj   Maybe I should have clarified "It's not a...   Apr 20 2004, 05:42 PM
FlyRobinFly   QUOTE (HC82 @ Apr 20 2004, 05:19 PM)I don...   Apr 20 2004, 06:17 PM
Omar   omg if you guys change the name and color of links...   Apr 20 2004, 06:18 PM
The JadeDragon   QUOTE we're are just trying to do something co...   Apr 20 2004, 06:26 PM
Dorian   Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we have ...   Apr 20 2004, 06:28 PM
The JadeDragon   QUOTE Flye, there is no higherarchy of AT, sure we...   Apr 20 2004, 06:36 PM
Sheik   QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 02:30 PM...   Apr 20 2004, 06:37 PM
Omar   QUOTE Omar...it's wrath you moron...lol lmao...   Apr 20 2004, 06:38 PM
Dorian   QUOTE BTW...that's one amazing run on sentence...   Apr 20 2004, 06:41 PM
The JadeDragon   QUOTE I trust the decisions made here and these me...   Apr 20 2004, 06:43 PM
Sheik   QUOTE (Omar @ Apr 20 2004, 04:38 PM) QUOTE Omar......   Apr 20 2004, 06:44 PM
Mute   WHOA! Calm down guys. This thread was just a n...   Apr 20 2004, 06:47 PM
Sgt. Retehi   *Passes around chill pills* Chill peeps, this kin...   Apr 20 2004, 06:48 PM
Astrid   QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 20 2004, 12:06 PM) ther...   Apr 20 2004, 06:50 PM
Omar   People are misunderstanding the concept of "A...   Apr 20 2004, 06:50 PM
Astrid   QUOTE (proj @ Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM) Seriousl...   Apr 20 2004, 06:55 PM
Rogue   There's a difference between a civil argument ...   Apr 20 2004, 06:56 PM
Astrid   QUOTE (proj @ Apr 20 2004, 04:30 PM) Seriousl...   Apr 20 2004, 06:56 PM
The JadeDragon   QUOTE Why not? Dive and Woe didn't pick the na...   Apr 20 2004, 07:04 PM
Madgeiser   QUOTE (Zorya @ Apr 20 2004, 07:05 PM) There are pe...   Apr 20 2004, 07:40 PM
Dive   ok I admit we made a huge mistake in not informing...   Apr 20 2004, 07:47 PM
Omar   woot nice post... i still dont see what the huge p...   Apr 20 2004, 07:54 PM
Woe   dirge, thank you for saying something.... i feel e...   Apr 20 2004, 07:57 PM
Dive   AIM chatroom in progress. Turn on your AIM client...   Apr 20 2004, 08:02 PM
Bantam13   QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 20 2004, 07:47 PM)And belie...   Apr 20 2004, 08:05 PM
HC82   QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 20 2004, 07:04 PM...   Apr 20 2004, 08:05 PM
Azrael   I didn't think referring to someone as being a...   Apr 20 2004, 08:33 PM
drunken_chibi   haha.. look at what i started. like i said, i...   Apr 20 2004, 08:39 PM
Dive   Come to the AIM meeting everyone. message darksid...   Apr 20 2004, 08:47 PM
Dive   Feel free to add your opinions to this matter, but...   Apr 20 2004, 11:04 PM
Zorya   QUOTE (Woe @ Apr 20 2004, 07:57 PM) Zorya and...   Apr 21 2004, 07:16 AM
Ikari   I was online so I couldn't participate in the ...   Apr 21 2004, 09:38 AM
Kazicht   Kitsume, your as much part of AC as I am, and I...   Apr 21 2004, 09:48 AM
Nynaeve   QUOTE (Ikari @ Apr 21 2004, 09:38 AM) I apologize ...   Apr 21 2004, 09:52 AM
Khaotika   QUOTE (Dorian @ Apr 20 2004, 05:37 PM) Sometimes p...   Apr 21 2004, 10:17 AM
Dive   QUOTE (Nynaeve @ Apr 21 2004, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (Ika...   Apr 21 2004, 01:49 PM
Dive   QUOTE (Zorya @ Apr 21 2004, 07:16 AM) QUOTE (Woe ...   Apr 21 2004, 01:50 PM
Nynaeve   QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 21 2004, 01:49 PM) Of course it ...   Apr 21 2004, 01:59 PM
Ferra   So, who's up for some fun then? Meet me in the...   Apr 21 2004, 02:01 PM
drunken_chibi   as per the AIM chat last night, the meeting is sti...   Apr 21 2004, 02:16 PM
Dive   QUOTE (drunken_chibi @ Apr 21 2004, 02:16 PM)...   Apr 21 2004, 02:40 PM
The JadeDragon   This is what I think about the whole thing. We a...   Apr 21 2004, 03:43 PM
Dive   QUOTE (The JadeDragon @ Apr 21 2004, 03:43 PM) Wha...   Apr 21 2004, 04:34 PM
The JadeDragon   Well, I'm wrong...so shoot me...just trying to...   Apr 21 2004, 04:37 PM
Ikari   Oh FYI, I am usually available on AIM if something...   Apr 21 2004, 06:29 PM
drunken_chibi   QUOTE (Dive @ Apr 21 2004, 03:40 PM) Wrong. Here ...   Apr 21 2004, 07:14 PM
Horosha Onikage   Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this ...   Apr 21 2004, 09:17 PM
Knightsword   I sadly won't be able to attend the meeting, d...   Apr 23 2004, 06:53 PM
The JadeDragon   I gotta admit with all the drama that's been g...   Apr 24 2004, 02:08 AM
Layrinn   I'm sorry, I won't be in attendance. I ho...   Apr 24 2004, 02:36 AM
Dive   I will not be able to make it to the meeting. Som...   Apr 24 2004, 02:59 AM
Azrael   It's sad that so many people are still thinkin...   Apr 24 2004, 08:41 AM
Bryn   My apologies to those that would miss my presence,...   Apr 24 2004, 11:23 AM
Azrael   I want to know who is coming. Seems like everyone ...   Apr 24 2004, 12:26 PM
The JadeDragon   With so many people not coming, is there even a re...   Apr 24 2004, 01:56 PM
Woe   Meeting canceled, for now...   Apr 24 2004, 03:22 PM


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