FFXI Meeting 4/24/04 |
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  Apr 20 2004, 08:05 PM
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The Enemy.  Group: Associates Posts: 129 Joined: 5-August 03 From: Starship Axelay - Illis System Member No.: 61  |
Dang, and people ask me why I'm not much of a forum person.... I believe Woe n' Dirge (new style comedy team~BANZAI!!) have been taking extra measures as of late to keep us rowdy folk under a modicum of control. Unfortunately, tempers flare when something goes amiss or someone is not readily available to assist others.... Now I myself would love to participate in the linkshell more often....but as I've said before, I have friends all over the place on Bismarck and I have to usually divide my time up evenly between them. Kyl (Khao) and I lost a good one last Friday (swapped servers ~ arguement was too many hotheads/self-centered people) and so a lot of my time as of late has been going about and relegating this news to all who knew him, etc. Anyway, I would like to see every person here allowed a greater involvement in decision making whether it's large or small....suggestions, et al....nothing too heavy. One or two people headlining this tour bus should be enough to get us to Frisco and the Grandfathers of Alterna-Soul-Funk-House-Rock Benefit with minimal conflict, neh?? I've had many linkshells die or break up on me in the few months I've been around Bismarck and I'd hate to see this one fall the same fate....unlikely as it may seem, but I don't rely on certanties anymore. Bantam13 --See ya round' ~ -------------------- "Leaders are for fools who need to follow." - Fangry
"Everything succumbs to those who wait." - Razorclaw "I take a licking and keep on kicking." - Ruckus PSO Characters: Alisah Neiko - HUnewearl - YELLOWBOZE - lvl 200 (Yeesh, FINALLY....) Jakira_Vogni - FOnewearl - PURPLENUM - lvl 178  Mnk lvl 75/Blm lvl 61/War lvl 65/Whm lvl 53/Thf lvl 35/Rdm lv 21/Nin lvl 37/Drg lvl 37 |
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Apr 20 2004, 08:05 PM
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 Badass Billionaire Extraordanaire Group: Paragon Caste Posts: 968 Joined: 13-December 02 From: NYC Member No.: 4 |
OK, about the democracy thing. Feelings aren't always fact and let's all look at this logically. First off all, we talked about this whole democracy thing before, before Jade Dragon signed up here on the forums. We always take into consideration everyones opinions. If we miss someone, it's not intentional. Don't feel like your being jipped here. Need proof? You see my rank? Paragon. You see the little "number joined?" Yes, it says number 4. Guess what? I didn't give in any input about the name of the new linkshell or the idea of the new linkshell. So, the associates aren't being purposely left out here, because if they are, so are the paragons. Why am I not mad? Because, it's not intentional. If I have something to bring up, I bring it up. It's the character, logic, and persuassion of the individual that determines a logical choice in these matters. If your two cents got missed out, SO did mine and it wasn't intentional. AC is not all AT, so everyone has a say in this. No one is trying to forcefully butt out someone elses opinions. Everyone had a valid point. Some points: A) It's not a big deal. Name means nothing to me right now. It's about the content of the guild when you think about it, not the name. I don't care if the name is left the same or changed, it's about the PEOPLE. (This is my personal opinion). B) The union of AT and AC is the foundation for the LS. Removing the LS is like removing what all this was built on. Some peeps feel left out on this choice or feel it's not needed. If anything, something that represents everyone and the AT/AC is in order. C) We need something totally new to represent a unity between all the old and new. Something to bring us all closer together. The way I see it. If the name Apocalypse Cow TRULY bothers some people on this forum, then we can come to some sort of new name that everyone will like. If the name doesn't bug anyone, leave it be and we can just focus more on a guild ethic then just a new name. A name means nothing without the power behind it. |
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Apr 20 2004, 08:33 PM
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 Busy In Hell Group: Neophyte Caste Posts: 656 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Detroit, MI Member No.: 51 |
I didn't think referring to someone as being a leader or leaders would help spark this kind of discussion on the LS. I was just saying that I trusted their decision and would follow whatever they decided on unless I really had a problem with the change. The reason why I said the color should change(and that was a little harmless nitpick) is because almost half of the bismarck server has our color linkshell. It would be unique if we had a less popular color that a million people didn't have. I honestly didn't think that this post would get this long. I knew there was going to be a response but I thought it would have been way less minor than this. Whatever gets decided on this issue, it won't make a difference to me as long as I still get to hang with this fine group of people until I quit this game(a long way off) forever.
--------------------  PSO BB:PSO BB Chars: Fred lv77 HUnewearl Aquarius-X lv10 RAmarl Watch DScc in action at DScc Vision Az |
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Apr 20 2004, 08:39 PM
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 San d'Orian Evil Group: Associates Posts: 430 Joined: 12-October 03 From: Boston, MA Member No.: 69 |
haha.. look at what i started. like i said, i'll go to the meeting and hear everything out, before i make my final decision, but it's the very attitude of over half of these replies that has me questioning this move from the get-go. thank you dive and HC for clarifying about AC and AT, perhaps everyone else will listen and dispense with the caste system prattle. and thanks dive for owning up and taking responsibility.. although had i kept my mouth shut i doubt this topic would have gotten out of control.
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Apr 20 2004, 08:47 PM
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 Antarctica Traffic Control Group: Dark Templar Posts: 1823 Joined: 10-December 02 Member No.: 1 |
Come to the AIM meeting everyone.
message darksidedive now |
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Apr 20 2004, 11:04 PM
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Antarctica Traffic Control Group: Dark Templar Posts: 1823 Joined: 10-December 02 Member No.: 1 |
Feel free to add your opinions to this matter, but it has been decided that for now...the new LS idea is put on hold. There will be further topics on this matter soon.
Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter. |
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Apr 21 2004, 07:16 AM
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 Tears for Fears Group: Paragon Caste Posts: 302 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Oklahoma Member No.: 13 |
Unless I am mistaken, I don't recall mentioning any names in my post. It therefore leaves me to assume that the deletion of my post was the result of some personal vendetta or someone else's temper tantrum. -------------------- <center>
 <center>Red <center>1981-2007 |
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Apr 21 2004, 09:38 AM
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 Giga Frame Group: Associates Posts: 143 Joined: 20-January 04 Member No.: 117 |
I was online so I couldn't participate in the AIM thing (stupid single computer), but I'm gonna voice my opinion here. Feel free to ignore it. Immature name calling, complaining, fighting,.....this is all I do. Granted none of it is serious, but I apologize if I have offended anyone. Really if it seems that I am being offensive, try to remeber that I am probably just playing around (you'll know if I am seriously pissed off).
As for the LS change, I will go with whatever the higher ups here deciede. I don't really feel that it is my decision as it is not my LS. I do appreciate being let in and the help I have recieved. And I was very happy when you let in some of the people I know from Voodoo Moose. I don't know exactly where the problem lie. To be honest, I am usually too busy making fun of Alex or bitching about my AF to notice what else is going on. I apologize if I or anyone from VM has caused a problem. It was my intent to invite them so that they could experience the LS in the same manner that I have. That being said, I have always rather enjoyed the name of the LS, even before I knew it's origins. If you wish to change it, then so be it. However, I don't think that there is any need for it. Maybe it is about time to start limiting new recruits; but these are decisions for those that are in charge. Thus I leave it at that. --------------------  |
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Apr 21 2004, 09:48 AM
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 System Id Group: Paragon Caste Posts: 445 Joined: 10-June 03 From: NYC Member No.: 45 |
Kitsume, your as much part of AC as I am, and I've been here since the brith of it.
We all have a voice in it. It is our badge, we wear it proudly as we do our adventuring in Vana'Diel. *salute* And hehe, ofcorse its understood your messing around practically all the time, I'm sure no one is really offended whenever you push us on the floor, or kick us while we're healing. 
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Apr 21 2004, 09:52 AM
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Soul Frame Group: AT Certified Posts: 150 Joined: 29-March 04 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 137 |
I hope this is not the case, but would like to know if it is.... The only comment I had was based on personal experience in terms of setting "rules". No one wants to play a game in order to be told what they can and cannot do, just as no one wants to come to a forum to post and have fun, to be told what they can or cannot do...but I agree with the person who said that setting general guidelines is important. Over at VoodooMoose, we didn't...we chose the path of "We're all friends, we don't need to police people, let's just let it go as it goes", and to be honest, that caused immense frustration, a sense of "no one cares", and it lost us quite a few important members in a huge to-do that took alot of us by surprise and was very painful emotionally. We've since regained a few of those lost (to us) souls, thankfully, and with their help we've taken a different approach, and it works. There's nothing wrong with setting expectations...it simply means that everyone knows where they stand and should problems arise, they know where to turn, what to expect, and there's a feeling of both security and a sense of importance that comes with the guidelines. "Look, they care enough about making this experience the best it can be with these rules...this isn't a free for all..." Don't know if that makes any sense...but just wanted to present it from a different viewpoint. I think the general guidelines are a great idea, as they lead to order rather than chaos, and show a sense of respect for the community/LS. |
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 Apr 21 2004, 10:17 AM
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Saw It Coming Group: Associates Posts: 251 Joined: 8-July 03 Member No.: 57 |
My ears are burning...  -Khao -------------------- Sometimes when I talk to people, I like to imagine a giant "EDIT" button over their head. Not that it matters, I always reach for "DELETE".
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Apr 21 2004, 01:49 PM
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Antarctica Traffic Control Group: Dark Templar Posts: 1823 Joined: 10-December 02 Member No.: 1 |
Of course it is not the case. Our VM friends have been nothing but kind and very friendly. Words carry so far, and the wrong word at the wrong time here, can set off deadly chain reactions. I do not have a problem with anyone from Voodoomoose, nor does anyone else here. VM has and will remain to be welcome here and in the Linkshell. |
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Apr 21 2004, 01:50 PM
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Antarctica Traffic Control Group: Dark Templar Posts: 1823 Joined: 10-December 02 Member No.: 1 |
Let it go Zorya. Please. |
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 Apr 21 2004, 01:59 PM
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Soul Frame Group: AT Certified Posts: 150 Joined: 29-March 04 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 137 |
*smiles* Thanks for the clarification, I guess I really DO have to lose the "Mommy" attitude...VM is my "baby" of sorts, and were it, in the form of members, to misbehave or cause bad feelings elsewhere...well...I'd want to know. ... No clue what I'd do, but...I'd want to try to help fix it.  |
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Apr 21 2004, 02:01 PM
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 c σ м р ℓ є т є ! Group: Neophyte Caste Posts: 355 Joined: 16-December 03 Member No.: 106 |
So, who's up for some fun then? Meet me in the steaming sheep for a raging keggar? Eh? Eh?
-Ferra --------------------  ℓєt γσυя sнσят ℓєgs cαяяү үσυ αωαү ωίtн үσυr тєℓєscσрє єүєs, мєtαl тєєтн. ί cαn'т bє sєєn ωiтh үσυ Kari - Newman Force - level 36 |
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